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*If you want to try or to stay in the new system: you don't need to do anything.
*If you want to try or to stay in the new system: you don't need to do anything.
*If you had explicitly disabled the visual editor in the past and want to keep it disabled: you don't need to do anything.
*If you had explicitly disabled the visual editor in the past and want to keep it disabled: you don't need to do anything.
*All the registered users have a dropdown menu in the [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing|Editing tab of their Preferences]] ({{int:prefs-editing}} --> {{int:visualeditor-preference-tabs}}), where they can choose from. This only needs to be done once. Don't forget to save ;)
*All the registered users have a dropdown menu in the [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing|Editing tab of their Preferences]] ({{int:prefs-editing}} --> {{int:visualeditor-preference-tabs}}), where they can choose from. <u>This only needs to be done once after the system has been deployed.</u> Don't forget to save ;)
**<small>Users with the visual editor disabled need to re-enable it if they're interested in accessing that menu!</small>
**<small>Users with the visual editor disabled need to re-enable it if they're interested in accessing that menu!</small>
*People who use the visual editor regularly will see a pop-up, and they can choose their favorite setting there. Of course, they can change their mind at any time just like the others, and pick a different setting from their Preferences.
*People who use the visual editor regularly will see a pop-up <u>(only once after the single edit tab system is introduced)</u>, and they can choose their favorite setting there. Of course, they can change their mind at any time just like the others, and pick a different setting from their Preferences.
**Anonymous users who have used the visual editor recently will also be able to choose which editor they want to edit with.
**Anonymous users who have used the visual editor recently will also be able to choose which editor they want to edit with.
**''Reminder: all the users will always have the opportunity to switch to the other editor via buttons on the toolbars, for occasional edits''.
**''Reminder: all the users will always have the opportunity to switch to the other editor via buttons on the toolbars, for occasional edits''.
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: {{ping|Elitre (WMF)}}, let me say about "single edit tab":please make "両方のエディタータブを表示する" default. If you make "single edit tab" only visible from the beginning, many jawp peole (at least I) would be angry by ''being forced to choose which''. If you make the ''both'' tabs visible to jawp users, there would not come out much trouble. Sorry for my poor English - can you understand what I'm worrying?--[[利用者:Miya|miya]]([[利用者‐会話:Miya|会話]]) 2016年4月28日 (木) 21:46 (UTC)
: {{ping|Elitre (WMF)}}, let me say about "single edit tab":please make "両方のエディタータブを表示する" default. If you make "single edit tab" only visible from the beginning, many jawp peole (at least I) would be angry by ''being forced to choose which''. If you make the ''both'' tabs visible to jawp users, there would not come out much trouble. Sorry for my poor English - can you understand what I'm worrying?--[[利用者:Miya|miya]]([[利用者‐会話:Miya|会話]]) 2016年4月28日 (木) 21:46 (UTC)
::My dear [[利用者:Miya|miya]], thanks for your comment. Please do not worry about the English, as you know it's not my native language either. Let me now offer some additional information for your evaluation.

::The Japanese Wikipedia has 2,300 registered users who are trying the visual editor (not all of them are active, of course). In the last month, this wiki had ''12,300'' registered active editors; I don't think imposing the additional visual editor tab on ten thousand people is what you want, specifically because most of them have ''chosen'' to not use the visual editor in time (besides, we aren't considering the anonymous editors, who will also be affected by the change, and they can't hide the visual editor tab).

::There are 2 things we have learned in these years through formal user research and communities' feedback. One is that new users, the ones we hope to help with the visual editor, are confused by having 2 edit tabs, because they don't know which one they should click on. The other is that most of the other users, the ones who have been editing for years like you and me, actually want just one edit tab (at the Polish Wikipedia, where the single edit tab was introduced weeks ago, only 30% of the editors ''chose'' to keep the 2 tabs). Switching between the editors is conveniently available from buttons on the toolbars, and that seems to be working so far.

::All the wikis will switch to the single edit tab system at some point (it's already on at the English Wikipedia, for example): deploying the visual editor with the 2 tabs system and then changing the system in a few weeks or months would totally confuse everyone here.

::If we make both the tabs visible, ''most'' of those 12,300 users will have to go and change the editing setting from their Preferences. If we only offer one, ''some'' of the 2,300 users will be shown a pop-up where they can decide what they want to do, only once. So this is a matter of giving a minor annoyance (a pop-up) to a small number of users with the single edit tab, or giving a major annoyance (having to go to their Preferences to change) to everyone for the 2 tabs + changing things again in a short time. I really don't think you want your community to be upset by changes so often. Is there anything I can do or say to clarify things further? Is there a specific group of editors you are worried about? Thanks, and talk to you soon, --[[利用者:Elitre (WMF)|Elitre (WMF)]]([[利用者‐会話:Elitre (WMF)|会話]]) 2016年4月29日 (金) 09:40 (UTC)

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改行の仕方について。

Wikipediaで新しく実装された、VisualEditorですが改行の仕方がいまいちわかりません。プルダウンメニューを「段落」に合わせてエンターキーで開業すると"<p>"が挿入され、"<br>"にはならないのではないでしょうか。Shift+Enterな気もしますが、"<br>"で改行するにはどうしたらよいのでしょうか。ご教示ください。--Closed会話2013年7月22日 (月) 14:27 (UTC)

コメント 今のところ、<br> だけでなく、タグ自体を選んで挿入する機能は無い様です。なお、「ソースを編集」を選ぶことで、今までと同じように編集できます。--Frozen-mikan会話2013年7月24日 (水) 05:58 (UTC)
それでは、VisualEditorを利用する際にはEnterキーを押して改行すればそれでかまわないのでしょうか。 ソースを編集については、理解しました。ありがとうございます。 --Closed会話2013年8月12日 (月) 09:10 (UTC)

テンプレートパラメータの自動挿入

テンプレートのパラメータには、「必須」とされているものがいくつかあります。テンプレートを挿入する場合、それらのパラメータは自動的に追加されるようにすると利便性が高まると思います。

また、特に「date」パラメータなど、自動挿入が可能なものについては内容まで自動的に追加されるとよりよいのではないでしょうか。 Make More Reliable会話2013年7月24日 (水) 00:08 (UTC)

「date」パラメータの自動挿入は、VisualEditorに限ったことではないと思いますので、そのテンプレートのノートでご提案なさってはいかがでしょうか。◆なお自動挿入そのものではないですが、各テンプレートのdocページにTemplateDataを書いておくことで、パラメータを簡単に追加できます(サンプル:Template:図書館を利用者sandboxでお試しください)。--miya会話2013年7月25日 (木) 05:58 (UTC)
コメント パラメータが「必須」というのは、TemplateData における "required": true のことだと思います。先ほど試した所、「テンプレートを新規作成する際、必須パラメータが自動的に追加される機能」が追加されていました(「Template:仮リンク」でも確認)。「内容の自動挿入」に関しては不明です。--Frozen-mikan会話2013年7月25日 (木) 06:33 (UTC)

複数行テンプレートの編集について

基礎情報テンプレートなどの大きなテンプレートでは、複数行にわたることがあります。この複数行テンプレートですが、今のところ上手く編集することが出来ていないようです。以前のように改行文字を全て除去してしまう事は無くなりましたが、改行の後ろに新しい値を挿入する挙動でした。また、我々が複数行テンプレートと認識していても、新規に追加する際には、1行にまとめられてしまいます。バグとして報告があれば、今後も改善されていくとは思いますが。--Frozen-mikan会話2013年7月25日 (木) 06:59 (UTC)

This will hopefully be fixed soon; I agree that it is a serious issue. The developers have all been at Wikimania, and hopefully they'll be able to fix it now that they are on their way back. Okeyes (WMF)会話2013年8月12日 (月) 12:27 (UTC)

TemplateData: 無名引数について

TemplateData では無名引数(ソースでは = の左側が空の文字列)を扱うことが出来ないようです。エディター上では、無名引数は _empty_ という名前に変換され、ソースでは _empty_ = として入力されることになります。なお、無名引数を含んだ TemplateData を作成した際、引数名と aliases との交換や aliases の一部除去など、細かい編集がエディターに反映されない事が有りました。--Frozen-mikan会話2013年8月11日 (日) 09:25 (UTC)

(Sorry for having to write in English!) - if you have unnamed parameters, simply name them 1,2,3, and so on, in the order that they appear in the template, and give them an appropriate alias. Hopefully that will work - let me know if it doesn't. Okeyes (WMF)会話2013年8月12日 (月) 12:16 (UTC)
私が言及したかったのは 1, 2, 3, ... などの引数名を省略可能な引数のことではありません。等号記号 (=) の前に空文字列をとる引数のことです。先ほど空文字列の引数を持つテンプレートを編集した所、エディタでは引数 1 として認識され、別の引数を加えて保存すると、等号が除去されました[1]。--Frozen-mikan会話2013年8月12日 (月) 14:47 (UTC)
Strange; reported at bugzilla:52752. Thank you :). Okeyes (WMF)会話2013年8月12日 (月) 15:09 (UTC)


♙(チェスの駒)バグ

時々、♙というアイコンが出現して、直前に入力した文字列を際限なく繰り返してしまうことがあります。いろいろな場面で急に出るので、出現条件はよくわからないのですが、画像キャプションを追加しようとする際にはほとんど毎回出ます。バグジラにも上がっているようですが[2]、こちらにもご報告いたします。--miya会話2013年8月14日 (水) 16:32 (UTC)

I will add it to Bugzilla; can you give me an example to show to the developers? Okeyes (WMF)会話2013年8月14日 (水) 16:39 (UTC)
I'll try to illustrate them in my user-subpages:
--miya会話) 2013年8月15日 (木) 01:59 (UTC) add a little explanation.--miya会話2013年8月15日 (木) 12:05 (UTC)
Aha; thank you. Is this the bug noted in the section below this? Okeyes (WMF)会話2013年8月18日 (日) 21:26 (UTC)
Perhaps. I made some tests again; Cursor also drove me mad both on User:Miya/Firefox and User:Miya/Chrome.--miya会話2013年8月19日 (月) 09:15 (UTC)
From David's comments on bugzilla I think they are fixing the cursor issue - as to the loops (and the pawns) I have reported that seperately :). Okeyes (WMF)会話2013年8月19日 (月) 17:46 (UTC)

Cursor places itself after the first character when inserting a group of Japanese characters

Hello,

Please excuse me for writing in English.

At Wikimania I found, with the help of Takashi Ota, that the cursor places itself incorrectly when typing in Japanese. I reported it as bug 52716. I could see this bug on Firefox in Mac OSX and Linux, but I couldn't test on Windows. Can anybody please test it in other operating systems and browsers and write any useful comments that you have at the bug report?

Thank you! --アミル・エ。・アハロニ会話2013年8月18日 (日) 12:50 (UTC)

editintro及びコメントアウト

ちょっと考えると仕様上当たり前すぎる話なのしょうが、ビジュアルエディターを用いて編集した場合、<!--ここに公開されていない本名を記述しないでください。-->であるといったような編集者向けにコメントアウトされているような情報が表示されません。
さらに同様に編集者向けに設定されているeditintroを用いた編集者向けの注意書きが表示されません。ウィキペディア日本語版では存命の人物の項目にはCategory:存命人物を付けて{{BLP editintro}}を表示するようになっています。このあたりを改善できませんでしょうか?--Vigorous actionTalk/History2013年8月22日 (木) 12:22 (UTC)

(追記)どうも、存命人物と学校記事はjawpのMediaWiki:Common.jsによる影響のようですので、jawp独自で対応が必要なのかもしれません。--Vigorous actionTalk/History2013年8月22日 (木) 12:50 (UTC)
Yes; the lack of HTML comments being visible is a problem, and has been known for a while - see bugzilla:49603. Hopefully it will be fixed soon :). Okeyes (WMF)会話2013年8月22日 (木) 13:55 (UTC)

ページ名の横の編集リンクをクリックすると

ページ名の横にある編集リンクは、クリックすると本来は section=0 の編集ができるはずなのに、section=1 に飛んでしまいます。--What here area team会話2013年9月8日 (日) 13:14 (UTC)

報告 ガジェット(Help:ページ先頭のセクションに編集リンクを追加する)が単一リンクの場合のみを想定していたことが原因でした。よって複数の編集リンクに対応するよう書き換えました[3]。--Frozen-mikan会話2013年9月8日 (日) 16:01 (UTC)
正しくリンクされていることを確認しました。ありがとうございます。--What here area team会話2013年9月8日 (日) 18:42 (UTC)
Glad this got resolved :). Yeah, we can't provide support for user-written gadgets, I'm afraid. Okeyes (WMF)会話2013年9月9日 (月) 05:02 (UTC)

Greetings from your Community Advocate

Hello! Kon'nichiwa! Apologies for writing in English. I work with WhatamIdoing and Oliver at the WMF and am helping out at the Japanese Wikipedia now. Just wanted to introduce myself and offer to help if needed. AKoval (WMF)会話2013年10月8日 (火) 16:30 (UTC)

Hi, AKoval. Welcome to the Japanese Wikipedia!--miya会話2013年10月10日 (木) 07:00 (UTC)
Arigato, miya. :) It's nice to be here. If I can help, please let me know. AKoval (WMF)会話2013年10月14日 (月) 20:34 (UTC)

ファイル行頭のスペース a space at the line head of a media file

Monument of Tachiarai airport 02.JPG

それほど深刻ではないけれど、遭遇した利用者を当惑させる現象として報告します。

大刀洗陸軍飛行場#沿革の下の版にある画像(2枚のうちで下の方にある画像)をビジュアルエディターで編集してみてください。

行頭に全角スペースがあるせいか、VEでは画像編集できず、画像をクリックしても画像の説明ページに飛んでしまいます。その次の版(2013-10-22T12:22:40)でSourceEditorで行頭の全角スペースを消すと、VEで画像編集可能になりました。

これを個人のSandboxサブページで再現実験してみたのが以下のページです。

この版をVEで開いて編集してみてください。行頭にスペースが(全角でも半角でも)あると、その行はpre状態になってしまい、文字列なら編集可能なものの、画像編集はVEではできない状態になっていると思います(もし私の勘違いならご指摘ください)。

Please open 大刀洗陸軍飛行場 (as of 2013-10-22T11:21:19) and try to edit the second photo with VisualEditor. I couldn't edit it with VisualEditor until I removed a two-byte space from its line head with SourceEditor. This may be not a serious but annoying bug for a beginner.

If there is a space at the line head of a media file, you cannot edit or delete a media file on VisualEditor. Feel free to edit my sandbox (利用者:Miya/sandbox/ビジュアルエディター 2013-10-23T06:39:27) to test editing a media file with a space on its line head. At the same time I assume that current VisualEditor is unable to distinguish an one-byte space from a double-byte space, either.--miya会話2013年10月23日 (水) 07:14 (UTC)

Hi miya.
Really sorry about that bug.
The developers have been able to reproduce it, thanks to your thoughtful documentation. :)
I’ve reported it here: bugzilla:56195]
We can both keep our eyes on it. :)
--Anna (WMF) 2013年10月25日 (金) 22:20 (UTC)
Thank you for reporting it!--miya会話2013年10月26日 (土) 00:45 (UTC)
You're welcome, miya. According to bugzilla, status is resolved and resolution is fixed. Hopefully it is! Please let me know if the problem persists. --Anna (WMF) 2013年10月28日 (月) 21:52 (UTC)

Please translate

Hi :)

Is there anyone with time to translate this message here:

https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=ext-visualeditor&language=ja&filter=%21translated&action=translate

It is the message in the popup that appears when you first open VisualEditor.

ありがとう!

--AKoval (WMF)会話2013年10月25日 (金) 23:43 (UTC)

I tried to translate MediaWiki:Visualeditor-dialog-beta-welcome-content/ja] - this message is just what I've wished to have! Thank you!--miya会話2013年10月26日 (土) 00:45 (UTC)
Thank you, miya! Your translation now needs to get put into the translation system, ideally by you yourself. You would go here to sign up, and then go here to set your translating preferences. Finally, once you are approved as a translator, you would go here to review existing translations, correct them, and add new ones as needed. It's kind of a drag to have to be approved as a translator, but it will be good, in general, if you are an approved translator on translatewiki. All the best, AKoval (WMF) 2013年10月28日 (月) 22:14 (UTC)

VE Office Hours

Hello and apologies for the English. :) Please help translate my message so others in your community can read it.

I wanted to let you know that this weekend, the engineering department is hosting office hours to discuss VisualEditor.

The first of these will be held on Saturday, November 2, at 1700 UTC.

The second will be held on Sunday, November 3, at 0000 UTC.

You can check local time and connect here.

Please join as Product Manager James Forrester discusses VisualEditor and upcoming plans.

Logs will be posted on meta after each office hour completes.

The engineering team would like to know about issues specific to ja.wikipedia.

So if you can’t attend, or don’t use Internet Relay Chat, but would like me to ask a question on your behalf, please post it below.

Thank you for your continued testing of VisualEditor.

AKoval (WMF)会話2013年10月30日 (水) 22:27 (UTC)

Please excuse me; the original links I posted were incorrect, but they're accurate now. :)
AKoval (WMF)会話2013年10月31日 (木) 01:06 (UTC)

VisualEditor office hours

Konnichiwa. :) Apologies for writing in English. Translation assistance is appreciated. :)

The WMF engineering department has planned office hours to discuss VisualEditor. The first is on January 15th, at 2300 UTC; the second is a week later, on January 22nd, at 2300 UTC. Product Manager James Forrester will discuss VisualEditor and upcoming plans. Logs will be posted on Meta after each office hour completes. If you want to ask a question or provide feedback but can't attend, don't use Internet Relay Chat, or don't speak English, please post your question or comment here or on my talk page or email me, and I or a community liaison will present it among possible discussion topics. I’ll post a reminder closer to the office hours.

Arigato, Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 2013年12月30日 (月) 18:23 (UTC)

VisualEditor office hours

Konnichiwa. :) Apologies for my English. I'd be grateful for translation.

The engineering department has scheduled office hours to discuss VisualEditor. These discussions will be on IRC (Internet Relay Chat) at irc://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-office. The first one will be held on Saturday 2014-02-15 at 17:00 UTC; the second will be held a week later, on Sunday 2014-02-16, at 00:00 UTC. Product Manager James Forrester will discuss VisualEditor and upcoming plans. (For more information on office hours, including how to attend, please see meta:IRC office hours). Logs will be posted and categorized at meta:Category:VisualEditor office hours logs after each office hour completes. (If office hours are heavily attended, it can be difficult to get to all questions, but if you want to ask a question and cannot attend or do not speak English, please post your question or on my talk page or email it to me, and I or another community liaison will present it for you).

Kashiko. かしこ. Kind regards, Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 2014年2月14日 (金) 22:48 (UTC)

VisualEditor office hour in March

Sorry, this message is in English. Any help in translating it would be appreciated!

Hi all, the office hour for this month is scheduled for Monday, March 17th, at 15:00 UTC. Please join as Product Manager James Forrester discusses VisualEditor, new features and upcoming plans. For more information on office hours, including how to attend, you can see meta:IRC office hours. If office hours are heavily attended, it can be difficult to get to all questions, but if you want to ask a question and cannot attend or do not speak English, please let us know your question here or via email by the day before, and I or another community liaison will add it to possible discussion topics, as usual. (Complete logs are always posted and categorized at meta:Category:VisualEditor office hours logs after each office hour completes anyway, for your convenience).

Regards, --Elitre (WMF)会話2014年3月6日 (木) 18:22 (UTC)

サンドボックスのビジュアルエディタへの対応について

ビジュアルエディタは不完全で、発展途上なので、意図したとおりに編集されるか確認する手段が必要と思うのですが、

現状で、サンドボックスでビジュアルエディタは利用できません。

個人設定でビジュアルエディタを有効にしているユーザはサンドボックスでもビジュアルエディタを有効にしたらよいのではないでしょうか?--Mytrajectory22会話2014年3月14日 (金) 03:24 (UTC)

コメント 登録利用者の場合、各自の利用者ページでビジュアルエディターを利用することが可能です。「利用者のサブページ」を作るか「Help:利用者サンドボックス」のガジェットを利用するのはいかがでしょうか。--Frozen-mikan会話2014年3月14日 (金) 05:15 (UTC)
Sorry for the comment in English, I can't speak any Japanese. I'd be extremely grateful if someone could help Japanese Wikipedians if Google Translate is not enough :) What other Wikipedias did in this case was creating a special sandbox in a namespace that could support it. For example, at the Italian Wikipedia (my home site) I created a personal sandbox and then linked to it so that everybody can use it to test VE, IPs included. If you created Help:VisualEditor sandbox, for example, that would work as well. Hope this helps! --Elitre (WMF)会話2014年3月14日 (金) 10:15 (UTC)
なるほど、現状ではそのような方法があるんですね。ひとまずは利用者サンドボックス(下書き)を利用することにします。--Mytrajectory22会話2014年3月14日 (金) 20:12 (UTC)
So , Do other wikipedia have 2 sandboxs that for source editor and for VisualEditor?  Was Help:VisualEditor sandbox created after VisualEditor enable for all user?--Mytrajectory22会話2014年3月14日 (金) 20:12 (UTC)
Yes. For example, the English Wikipedia uses the page en:User:Sandbox, while the Italian Wikipedia uses it:Utente:Elitre_(WMF)/Pagina_delle_prove_VE. Help:VisualEditor sandbox is an example I provided as a suggestion for you. It is important that the sandbox has a good visibility so that many people can test VisualEditor. After you create the page, if you link back to it in this way, even anonymous users will be able to try VisualEditor. It's because of the &veaction=edit string. Have a nice weekend! --Elitre (WMF)会話2014年3月15日 (土) 12:53 (UTC)
Mytrajectory22: I can create that page for you, if you want. Just let me know. Thanks, --Elitre (WMF)会話2014年3月18日 (火) 13:45 (UTC)
Elitre (WMF):Very thanks about your answer and Sorry for slow reply due to unsure English and me with laziness. So, what you mean is that. 1st, create my sandbox. 2nd, create Help:VisualEditor sandbox. 3rd, Link from Help:VisualEditor sandbox to my sandbox. Can't or Unsuitable nomal Sandbox available to VisualEditor. --Mytrajectory22会話2014年3月19日 (水) 14:56 (UTC)
Mytrajectory22, hi again, and thanks for your Thanks! To be clear: we just need to create Help:VisualEditor sandbox, that's it. VisualEditor will be available on that page, for everybody (even users who do not have an account or are logged out will be able to use it there if they follow the link as it is formatted here). VisualEditor is available also on personal sandboxes if users want to create them, of course. Regards, --Elitre (WMF)会話2014年3月19日 (水) 15:16 (UTC)
Someone tested the sandbox at the English Wikipedia :) My point is: registered users can have personal sandboxes and test VE whenever they want. For unregistered ones instead, that's difficult, so creating the page I suggested will help them. Best, --Elitre (WMF)会話2014年3月20日 (木) 10:04 (UTC)
Say about my edit !? :) I am not knowledgeable about Sandbox and VE, and increase page is a little confusing. So maybe I'll add a few explanation and LINK to English sandbox(maybe no account required) from there and there(Header template of nomal sandbox). --Mytrajectory22会話2014年3月21日 (金) 22:45 (UTC)
Mytrajectory22, I hope this is not a problem for you: I have created that sandbox. Can you please 1) translate the English text I put there 2) add its link to the pages you mentioned? Thank you! --Elitre (WMF)会話2014年3月24日 (月) 20:11 (UTC)

仮名漢字変換で文字入力がまともに出来ない

WindowsXP SP3(32bit)+Chrome環境にて、編集するために日本語入力を試みるも、 入力や変換途中に勝手に確定されたり無変換にされたり入力を受け付けなかったりと非常に 動作が不安定です。 事実上記事の編集には使用できません。 Nonkihiguma会話2014年3月24日 (月) 02:41 (UTC)

Hi Nonkihiguma, I am using Google Translate, so I might not understand very well - sorry about that, hope someone can help us if we don't understand each other. If you are trying to use the universal language selector in VisualEditor, we know this doesn't work, there are some bugs about this already. Thanks, and sorry about that. I see that you have added an external link with VE, so I am not sure if this actually didn't work for you. Thanks again, --Elitre (WMF)会話2014年3月24日 (月) 20:19 (UTC)
Hi, Elitre. I can understand what Nonkihiguma wrote. I, too, tried to edit via VisualEditor in Japanese and the kana-kanji conversion system of VE was reallly unstable during inputting and converting. I'm very sorry to say VE as of now is not good to edit in Japanese. For example I wrote "ビジュアルエディターのテスト" in my Sandbox but the text I wrote and converted to kanji was disappeared when I tried to fix it with pushing the enter key; if I undid then, a pawn would show up: have a look at my sandbox.--miya会話2014年4月3日 (木) 14:42 (UTC)
I tried one more test: at first I wrote "VisualEditor test 2" in English (which caused no trouble); when I began to input "ビジュアルエディター...", some bug occurred (I saved it) - I couldn't understand what and how happened.--miya会話2014年4月3日 (木) 15:07 (UTC)
Hi miya! Sad to hear VE doesn't seem ready for prime time here. I noticed that there were hidden comments in your sandbox while you were testing with VE some days ago. This is known to be problematic in itself, so I'm making sure you know it now, and that you use a really blank page in the future :) I am not sure I understand what "the kana-kanji conversion system of VE" is :/ Can you please explain it to me? If we manage to get a step-by-step description of how the problem can be reproduced, I'll be happy to file a bug for you. I see that you have already provided such an explanation. So, did you copy/paste anything there? How do you switch between languages? Thanks, --Elitre (WMF)会話2014年4月3日 (木) 15:22 (UTC)
コメント Chromeを使っているということで、グーグル入力ツール [4] をご紹介します。使えるはずのものが使えない状況は全く解決しませんが、入力が全く出来ない状態よりは良いかと思います。例えばこの文章のほとんどはChromeの拡張を入れて入力しています。少々難があるとは思いますが、いかがでしょうか。(開発者用の話?)Google CGI API for Japanese Input からリンクされてる事もあり、同じような仕組みだとは思うのですが、「入力」ではなく「変換」を組み込むのは難しいかな。正直このツールのことはさっぱり忘れており、数年ぶりにたまたま見つけた感じです。--Frozen-mikan会話2014年4月14日 (月) 03:53 (UTC)
As I said, I believe that when Universal Language Selector will work inside VisualEditor, you will be able to use a good Japanese input method and your VisualEditor experience will improve. Thanks. --Elitre (WMF)会話2014年4月16日 (水) 14:06 (UTC)

VisualEditor updates

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  • The Wikimedia Foundation's engineering department holds monthly office hours to discuss VisualEditor. Please join Product Manager James Forrester to discuss the products and upcoming plans in April.
Saturday 2014-04-19, at 20:00 UTC.
The discussion will be on IRC (w:Internet Relay Chat) at irc://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-office. For more information on office hours, including how to attend, please see m:IRC office hours. Logs will be posted at Meta afterwards.
If office hours are heavily attended, it can be difficult to get to all questions, but if you want to ask a question and cannot attend or do not speak English, then please let us know your question on mediawiki.org by the day before, and someone will add it to possible discussion topics.
  • VisualEditor has changed a lot recently, and you didn't notice it? You can be alerted to major updates on your own talk page, thanks to the newsletter! Less "technical" than the regular status updates delivered at mediawiki.org, it's a good way to keep up to date with changes. Sign up now to make sure you get the next issue.
  • Did you know? There are just 2 URLs to check if you want to learn how your language is doing with regards to translations for VisualEditor's interface or help pages. Is it in the green (good!) area, or in the red (baaad!) one? Find out now, then click on your language code to update the translations!
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--Elitre (WMF) (talk) 2014年4月7日 (月) 16:41 (UTC)

VisualEditor office hour in May

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  • The Wikimedia Foundation's engineering department holds monthly office hours to discuss VisualEditor. Please join Product Manager James Forrester to discuss the products and upcoming plans in May.
Monday 2014-05-19, at 18:00 UTC.
The discussion will be on IRC (w:Internet Relay Chat) at irc://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-office. For more information on office hours, including how to attend, please see m:IRC office hours. Logs will be posted at Meta afterwards.
If office hours are heavily attended, it can be difficult to get to all questions, but if you want to ask a question and cannot attend or do not speak English, then please let us know your question on mediawiki.org by the day before, and someone will add it to possible discussion topics.
Thanks! --Elitre (WMF)会話2014年5月9日 (金) 15:42 (UTC)

Japanese input with IME, cursor moves to wrong position.

When inputting Japanese text: 1. Turn on IME and type something like "漢字", do not press <enter> , cursor is at the end of "漢字", looks like "漢字|", contents is not added now. 2. Press <enter>, "漢字" is inserted into wiki, however cursor is located before them, looks like "|漢字". Expected result is "漢字|".

This is very annoying behavior, may happen to every CJK users. Regards,

Kayo Kayo Katsuragi会話2014年5月21日 (水) 04:05 (UTC)

Hi Kayo Katsuragi, my apologies for not catching this before. Please feel free to email me if I seem to have missed something! Can you please let me know which browser, operating system and Wikipedia skin you are using, if this problem still occurs? Thanks a lot, --Elitre (WMF)会話2014年6月19日 (木) 11:33 (UTC)
Dear Elitre,I checked Visual Editor again and now it seems working good. My environment is: Win 8.1(x64), Firefox 30.0, and ATOK 2014(IME). Thanks.:)--Kayo Katsuragi会話2014年6月20日 (金) 05:59 (UTC)

VisualEditor global newsletter—May 2014

This is a one-time mailing to projects that may need this information. Future newsletters will be available as opt-in only. To receive future newsletters (about one per month), please add your page to the subscribers' list at m:VisualEditor/Newsletter. You're welcome to translate to your language.


Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on the new citation tool, improving performance, reducing technical debt, and other infrastructure needs.

Did you know?

The cite menu offers quick access to up to five citation templates.  If your wiki has enabled the "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽" menu, press "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽" and select the appropriate template from the menu.

Existing citations that use these templates can be edited either using the "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽" tool or by selecting the reference and choosing the "⧼visualeditor-dialogbutton-reference-tooltip⧽" item in the "挿入" menu.

Read the user guide for more information.

The biggest change in the last few weeks is the new citation template menu, labeled "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽". The new citation menu offers a locally configurable list of citation templates on the main toolbar. It adds or opens references using the simplified template dialog that was deployed last month. This tool is in addition to the "⧼visualeditor-dialogbutton-reference-tooltip⧽" item in the "挿入" menu, and it is not displayed unless it has been configured for that wiki. To enable this tool on your wiki, see the instructions at VisualEditor/Citation tool.

Eventually, the VisualEditor team plans to add autofill features for these citations. When this long-awaited feature is created, you could add an ISBN, URL, DOI or other identifier to the citation tool, and VisualEditor would automatically fill in as much information for that source as possible. The concept drawings can be seen at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog, and your ideas about making referencing quick and easy are still wanted.

  • There is a new Beta Feature for setting content language and direction.  This allows editors who have opted in to use the "言語" tool in the "挿入" menu to add HTML span tags that label text with the language and as being left-to-right (LTR) or right-to-left (RTL), like this:  <span lang="en" dir="ltr">English</span>. This tool is most useful for pages whose text combines multiple languages with different directions, common on Right-to-Left wikis.
  • The tool for editing mathematics formulae in VisualEditor has been slightly updated and is now available to all users, as the "⧼math-visualeditor-mwmathinspector-title⧽" item in the "挿入" menu. It uses LaTeX like in the wikitext editor.
  • The layout of template dialogs has been changed, putting the label above the field.  Parameters are now called "fields", to avoid a technical term that many editors are unfamiliar with.
  • TemplateData has been expanded:  You can now add "suggested" parameters in TemplateData, and VisualEditor will display them in the template dialogs like required ones.  "Suggested" is recommended for parameters that are commonly used, but not actually required to make the template work.  There is also a new type for TemplateData parameters: wiki-file-name, for file names.  The template tool can now tell you if a parameter is marked as being obsolete.
  • Some templates that previously displayed strangely due to absolute CSS positioning hacks should now display correctly.
  • Several messages have changed: The notices shown when you save a page have been merged into those used in the wikitext editor, for consistency.  The message shown when you "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cancel⧽" out of an edit is clearer. The beta dialog notice, which is shown the first time you open VisualEditor, will be hidden for logged-in users via a user preference rather than a cookie.  As a result of this change, the beta notice will show up one last time for all logged-in users on their next VisualEditor use after Thursday's upgrade.
  • Adding a category that is a redirect to another category prompts you to add the target category instead of the redirect.
  • In the "画像とメディア" dialog, it is no longer possible to set a redundant border for thumbnail and framed images.
  • There is a new Template Documentation Editor for TemplateData.  You can test it by editing a documentation subpage (not a template page) at Mediawiki.org: edit mw:Template:Sandbox/doc, and then click "Manage template documentation" above the wikitext edit box.  If your community would like to use this TemplateData editor at your project, please contact product manager James Forrester or file an enhancement request in Bugzilla.
  • There have been multiple small changes to the appearance:  External links are shown in the same light blue color as in MediaWiki.  This is a lighter shade of blue than the internal links.  The styling of the "文字の修飾" (character formatting) drop-down menu has been synchronized with the recent font changes to the Vector skin.  VisualEditor dialogs, such as the "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-savedialog⧽" dialog, now use a "loading" animation of moving lines, rather than animated GIF images.  Other changes were made to the appearance upon opening a page in VisualEditor which should make the transition between reading and editing be smoother.
  • The developers merged in many minor fixes and improvements to MediaWiki interface integration (e.g., edit notices), and made VisualEditor handle Education Program pages better.
  • At the request of the community, VisualEditor has been deployed to Commons as an opt-in. It is currently available by default for 161 Wikipedia language editions and by opt-in through Beta Features at all others, as well as on several non-Wikipedia sites.

Looking ahead:  The toolbar from the PageTriage extension will no longer be visible inside VisualEditor. More buttons and icons will be accessible from the keyboard.  The "キーボード ショートカット" link will be moved out of the "ページ設定" menu, into the "ヘルプ" menu. Support for upright image sizes (preferred for accessibility) and inline images is being developed. You will be able to see the Table of Contents while editing. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. VisualEditor will be available to all users on mobile devices and tablet computers. It will be possible to upload images to Commons from inside VisualEditor.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on Thursday, 19 June 2014 at 10:00 UTC. If you'd like to get this newsletter on your own page (about once a month), please subscribe at w:en:Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter for English Wikipedia only or at Meta for any project. Thank you! --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 2014年5月22日 (木) 17:39 (UTC)

VisualEditor office hours in June and July

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Hi, everybody. This is a reminder that community liaisons invite you to discuss VisualEditor's recent development and plans ahead during the next office hours with James Forrester (Product Manager):

If you are not able to attend but have a question for James, you can leave your question at mediawiki.org or on my talk page by the day before, and I will try to get a response. We plan to continue these monthly sessions as long as there is community interest, and to announce them through the VisualEditor global newsletter as well.

Thanks for your attention! --Elitre (WMF) 2014年6月9日 (月) 21:24 (UTC)
Please help translate this message in your language. Thanks :)

Hi, everybody. This is a reminder that we invite you to discuss VisualEditor's recent development and plans ahead during the next office hours with James Forrester (Product Manager):

If you are not able to attend but have a question for James, you can leave your question at mediawiki.org or on my talk page by the day before, and I will try to get a response. We plan to continue these monthly sessions as long as there is community interest, and to announce them through the VisualEditor global newsletter as well (please subscribe your talk page there to get the latest news about the software).

Most of the VisualEditor team will be at Wikimania in London in August! You'll be able to meet the developers during the Hackaton or at the following sessions:

WMF community liaisons will share a booth with community advocates at the Community Village and look forward to talking to you there. Thanks for your attention! --User:Elitre (WMF) 2014年7月31日 (木) 16:02 (UTC)

VisualEditor global newsletter—July and August 2014

The VisualEditor team is currently working mostly to fix bugs, improve performance, reduce technical debt, and other infrastructure needs. You can find on Mediawiki.org weekly updates detailing recent work.

Screenshot of VisualEditor's link tool
Dialog boxes in VisualEditor have been re-designed to use action words instead of icons. This has increased the number of items that need to be translated. The user guide is also being updated.

The biggest visible change since the last newsletter was to the dialog boxes. The design for each dialog box and window was simplified. The most commonly needed buttons are now at the top. Based on user feedback, the buttons are now labeled with simple words (like "Cancel" or "Done") instead of potentially confusing icons (like "<" or "X"). Many of the buttons to edit links, images, and other items now also show the linked page, image name, or other useful information when you click on them.

  • Hidden HTML comments (notes visible to editors, but not to readers) can now be read, edited, inserted, and removed. A small icon (a white exclamation mark on a dot) marks the location of each comments. You can click on the icon to see the comment.
  • You can now drag and drop text and templates as well as images. A new placement line makes it much easier to see where you are dropping the item. Images can no longer be dropped into the middle of paragraphs.
  • All references and footnotes (<ref> tags) are now made through the "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽" menu, including the "⧼visualeditor-dialogbutton-reference-tooltip⧽" (manual formatting) footnotes and the ability to re-use an existing citation, both of which were previously accessible only through the "挿入" menu. The "⧼visualeditor-dialogbutton-referencelist-tooltip⧽" is still added via the "挿入" menu.
  • When you add an image or other media file, you are now prompted to add an image caption immediately. You can also replace an image whilst keeping the original caption and other settings.
  • All tablet users visiting the mobile web version of Wikipedias will be able to opt-in to a version of VisualEditor from 14 August. You can test the new tool by choosing the beta version of the mobile view in the Settings menu.
  • The link tool has a new "Open" button that will open a linked page in another tab so you can make sure a link is the right one.
  • The "Cancel" button in the toolbar has been removed based on user testing. To cancel any edit, you can leave the page by clicking the Read tab, the back button in your browser, or closing the browser window without saving your changes.

Looking ahead

The team posts details about planned work on the VisualEditor roadmap. The VisualEditor team plans to add auto-fill features for citations soon. Your ideas about making referencing quick and easy are still wanted. Support for upright image sizes is being developed. The designers are also working on support for adding rows and columns to tables. Work to support Internet Explorer is ongoing.

Feedback opportunities

The Editing team will be making two presentations this weekend at Wikimania in London. The first is with product manager James Forrester and developer Trevor Parscal on Saturday at 16:30. The second is with developers Roan Kattouw and Trevor Parscal on Sunday at 12:30. There is a VisualEditor Translation Sprint going on during Wikimania; whether you're in London or not, any contributions are welcome!

Please share your questions, suggestions, or problems by posting a note at the VisualEditor feedback page or by joining the office hours discussion on Thursday, 14 August 2014 at 09:00 UTC (daytime for Europe, Middle East and Asia) or on Thursday, 18 September 2014 at 16:00 UTC (daytime for the Americas; evening for Europe).

If you'd like to get this newsletter on your own page (about once a month), please subscribe at w:en:Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter for English Wikipedia only or at Meta for any project. Thank you! --Elitre (WMF), 2014年8月9日 (土) 14:40 (UTC)

TemplateData editor soon available on this Wikipedia

Hello, my apologies for writing this announcement in English. A tool for editing TemplateData will be deployed to this wiki on Thursday, 9 October. This tool makes it easier to add TemplateData to the template's documentation (or to change it). You will be able to use it by editing the template's documentation page and clicking the テンプレートデータを編集 button at the top. You can test the TemplateData editor now in a sandbox at Mediawiki.org. Please see more detailed instructions at Mediawiki.org (those can be translated there, and also imported on this wiki later if you need to). Don't hesitate to contact me if you need further information. Best, --Elitre (WMF)会話2014年10月7日 (火) 10:35 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #8—2014

2014年10月13日 (月) 09:49 (UTC)

日本語入力した行が消失するバグ

Since around 2014-10-24 a line only with Japanese text would disappear when you pushed "Enter" or input some alphabet or number. Strangely speaking if you add some alphabet or number at the left of the line, the line would not disappear even if you push "Enter" key.

2014年10月24日ごろから、VEで日本語入力した行の文末で改行したり、半角英数や半角記号を文中や文末に英文モードで直接入力すると、その行が丸ごと消失するようになりました。Windows7/Firefox・Chrome・IEでおきています(Macは未確認)。特徴を箇条書きにしますと:

  • 日本語のみを入力した行は、最後に改行する(Enterを押す)と消失する。
  • 日本語のみを入力した行は、文の途中 または 文末 に半角英数や半角記号を入力すると、改行(Enter)と同じく、消失する。
  • 行頭に半角英数のなにかを直接入力すれば、消失しない。
  • 行頭に半角英数を置くとき、直接入力ではなく、日本語入力から半角に変換(ex. Ch: => Ch: ) した場合は、改行で消失する。
  • 行頭に半角英数を置いて、改行でも消失しなかった行は、その後に改行しても、消失しなくなる。
  • 行頭に半角記号のなにかを直接入力しても、消失しない。

--miya会話2014年10月28日 (火) 04:21 (UTC)

追記: It looks like the same bug as bugzilla:72508. bugzilla:72508と同じ種類のバグに見えます。このバグは、普通のテキスト部分でも Media fileのCaption部分でも 起きています。

  •  他の行にマウスで移動して入力作業をして、戻ってきても、さて、改行したり半角英数を入力したりすると、消失します。
  • このバグで消失した場合は、undoボタンもききません。消失する前でも、ctrl&cでコピーできません。
  • leftキーやrightキーを押しても、カーソルは上下に動くだけで左右移動はできません。

以上は、2014年9月28日時点の Windows 7 PC(Firefox 33.0.1, Chrome 38.0.2125.104 m, IE 11.0.13) で確認しています。--miya会話2014年10月28日 (火) 14:50 (UTC)

今日、日本語入力してから改行、もしくは半角英数を追加しても、日本語テキストが消えずに保持されるようになっているのに気づきました(Firefox、Chrome、IEで)。対応してくださった方々、ありがとうございました。--miya会話2014年12月20日 (土) 17:27 (UTC)

メディアファイル

Even when you write a Japanese text in the Caption field, the text would disappear unless you put some alphabet or number at the left of the line (though Alternative text would not be affected at all).

画像の場合、Captionがやはり普通の日本語入力では消えてしまいます。頭に直接入力(英語モード)で半角文字をつければ、保存できます。代替テキスト(Alternative text)は、半角文字をつけなくても、ふつうに日本語入力で保存できます。--miya会話2014年10月28日 (火) 06:38 (UTC)

Is any of these related to [5]? --Elitre (WMF)会話2014年10月28日 (火) 11:31 (UTC)
Anyway, now at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72619. Feel free to add there! Best, --Elitre (WMF)会話2014年10月28日 (火) 11:57 (UTC)
Thank you for creating a new bug. This may be related to bugzilla:72508, but I cant understand why it affects only the Caption, while no problem occurs in the Alternative text.--miya会話2014年10月28日 (火) 14:50 (UTC)

Good news

Hi, it's me again. I'm glad to let you know (basic) table editing in VE is almost here. Should anybody want to test this new feature, please go to mw:VisualEditor:Test and choose the related option from the Insert menu. Best, --Elitre (WMF)会話2014年11月6日 (木) 15:38 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #9—2014

2014年11月14日 (金) 23:29 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #10—2014

2014年12月26日 (金) 18:59 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #1—2015

2015年2月5日 (木) 18:30 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #2—2015

2015年4月10日 (金) 19:48 (UTC)

Please test VisualEditor in your language!

It is very important to us at the Editing Department that VisualEditor works in every language, for every user.

VisualEditor's editing environment is a browser ContentEditable element. This means that your input method editor (IME) should already know how to work with it. However, to make VisualEditor correctly edit wiki pages, we have to stop browsers in lots of ways from breaking the page.

Sometimes this can interfere with IMEs. To make sure we work in your IME, we need your help: please see wikimedia.github.io/VisualEditor/demos/ve/desktop-dist.html#!pages/simple.html. This is the core system inside VisualEditor which lets you write and edit. It is different from the full editor, and some of the tools you are used to will be missing.

We're interested in particular in whether you can write text at all, what happens when you select different candidate texts, and how VisualEditor behaves in general.

More details, and some early test results, are provided here: mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/IME_Testing#What_to_test.

We would love to hear from every language, and especially languages which use IMEs, like Japanese, Korean, Indic languages, Arabic and others. Thank you for your help.

Yours,

James Forrester (talk) 2015年4月22日 (水) 07:41 (UTC)

User:Miya, User:Shirayuki, User:Mr. Stradivarius: ping! :) --Elitre (WMF)会話2015年4月22日 (水) 08:20 (UTC)

Wikipedia:お知らせ#ビジュアルエディターを日本語で使ってみてください!に拙訳を投下しました。ビジュアルエディター、今では表の作成・編集、テンプレートや出典の追加にとても便利になっているので、日本語版の皆さんにもぜひ活用していただきたいと思います。慣れるまでちょっと面倒な気がするでしょうけど、こつさえ呑み込めれば(少なくとも上記の作業については)非常に便利です・・・でも、ただ呼びかけるより、en:Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User guide(ビジュアルエディター・利用者ガイド)を翻訳したらいいのかもしれませんね。--miya会話2015年4月30日 (木) 15:54 (UTC)

テンプレートデータの編集について

今まで(今も) 編集にガジェットの wikEd を使っていたのですが、wikEd が ON の状態だとテンプレートデータが編集できないようです。正確には「テンプレートデータを管理」から開く「テンプレートドキュメーションエディター」の「適用」を押しても、テンプレートデータの編集が反映されないようです。ただの競合(?)でバグではないと思いますし、こんなことをするのは私だけかもしれませんが、情報共有として一応ご報告しておきます。テンプレートデータがいじれなくて30分ぐらい格闘してしまったのですよ…--にょきにょき会話2015年5月2日 (土) 06:09 (UTC)

Hello, にょきにょき. I see that you've been able to edit a couple of templates after leaving a message here. Did you understand what went wrong, or is the problem still there? Thanks a lot for looking into this issue! Regards, --Elitre (WMF)会話2015年5月4日 (月) 15:23 (UTC)
Hi Elitre (WMF), thanks for your kindness. The problem has been solved. I'll show you what happened before I posted a comment above this. When I edited TemplateData with the built-in TemplateData editor, I finished editing each parameter of the template and clicked Apply on the TemplateData editor. But nothing happened because I kept a gadget wikEd turning on. I found that if you edit TemplateData with the built-in editor, you should turn wikEd off. It's just a little information, and not a bug or so, I guess. Thank you, --にょきにょき会話2015年5月5日 (火) 12:01 (UTC)
[利用者:にょきにょき|にょきにょき]], thank you for your prompt reply. You are right, that's not a bug. Gadgets interfere with VE from time to time, but I think this is the first time I hear about trouble with TemplateData saving - usually the issues are related to articles' saving, so I'm glad I could learn about this today. Best, --Elitre (WMF)会話2015年5月5日 (火) 12:05 (UTC)

リンクの編集について

利用法に関して私の理解が不足しているのかもしれませんが、日本語環境で"[["入力による内部リンク作成機能が使い物になりません。文章を記述する途中で新規にリンクを作成しようとして"[["と入力すると直前の語句が選択されて不適切なリンクを作ろうとします(しかもキーボード操作だけで取り消すのは、わざわざリンク先の文字列を削除して、"Esc"を推す必要があります)。かといって、予め文字列を入力しておいて選択したうえで、"[["と入力しても選択文字列が消えてしまいます。

キーボードショートカットに「リンクの挿入」機能(Ctrl+K or Cmd+K)が設けられているのですが、これも新規入力は不可で、直前の語句を強制的に選択してしまいます(選択した語句に対しては有効です)。

直前の語句に隣接する位置に新たなリンクを作成する方法をご存じの方は教授頂きたく思いますし、無いのなら必須の機能として要望したいと思います。

また、必ずしも常に起きるわけではないのですが、新たに作成した内部リンクに連続して文字を入力した場合、直前のリンクと一体化する場合があります。どういう条件で起きるのかよくわからないのですが、この問題についても留意頂きたいと思います。--お天気屋会話2015年5月16日 (土) 08:36 (UTC)

コメント もし日本語環境を特別扱いして頂けるなら、Ctrl+K や"[[" 入力は「カーソル位置に新しいリンクテキストを挿入する機能」として欲しいです。現状の "[[" 入力は「新しいリンクテキストを作成する機能」としてみると、直感的ではなく不便ですね。とは言え、挙動を見る限り、ラテン文字ではカーソル位置の前後にあるラテン文字を選択してリンク化するという機能になっており、文字列中に新しいリンク(とテキスト)を生成する機能ではないようです。まあ、ラテン文字圏だけで有用な機能はラテン文字使用時だけで収めて欲しいところです。なお、リンクが伸びる方については、ラテン文字列のリンクテキストに追加入力すると伸びることが確認できました。--Frozen-mikan会話2015年5月16日 (土) 10:20 (UTC)
Hi all. If you need my assistance with the issue described above, please let me know (a very short summary in English would be much appreciated, in case). Sorry I couldn't weigh in before - for some reason, my IP was blocked. Best, --Elitre (WMF)会話2015年6月1日 (月) 10:33 (UTC)
Summary of the problem of the link creation by a keyboard shortcut in Japanese environment:
  • Since a space does not exist between words in Japanese, the new link creation by adjoining the last word and inputting "[[" is impossible.
  • For the same reason, a word just before being chosen does not necessarily become a suitable range by "[[" input (Ctrl+K or Cmd+K is also the same).
  • Moreover, in order that there may be no space between words, when a character is inputted after the existing link, it may be added as a part of link.
  • When "[[" (and Ctrl+K or Cmd+K in the state where a character string is not chosen) was inputted by Japanese environment, we would like you to improve as a request, so that the last word may not be chosen but it may shift to new link create mode as it is.
(おかしな表現があれば適宜修正をお願いします)--お天気屋会話2015年6月1日 (月) 16:04 (UTC)
We're looking into this: thank you for your patience. --Elitre (WMF)会話2015年6月3日 (水) 18:04 (UTC)
Sorry for the late follow-up: see [7]. Best, --Elitre (WMF)会話2015年6月14日 (日) 17:19 (UTC)

Template:sfn に対する挙動が不適切。

(Jananese) 既出かもしれませんが、参考文献に対して、Template:sfn を利用して出典を記述する場合、入力直後の参照リンクが奇妙な形式で表示されます(ただし、保存後は表示もリンクも正常です)。また、テンプレートの内容を再編集しようとしても、テンプレートではなくリンクと認識され、編集することが出来ません。

(English) Although it may be existing appearance, when describing a source to bibliography using Template:sfn, a reference link is displayed in a strange form after an input (but, display and link are normal after saving). Moreover, even if it is going to re-edit a sfn template, it is recognized as the link instead of a template, and cannot edit. --お天気屋会話2015年6月6日 (土) 03:08 (UTC)

I will look at this ASAP: thanks a lot for reporting this here. --Elitre (WMF)会話2015年6月14日 (日) 17:20 (UTC)
Hey お天気屋, I'm sorry to report that support to SFN templates is not planned, alas. You can read the reasoning at [8]. Thank you for taking the time to leave feedback on this page. Hope to read from you again soon. Best, --Elitre (WMF)会話2015年6月15日 (月) 15:04 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #3—2015

2015年6月13日 (土) 10:44 (UTC)

Please join the 2nd edition of the VisualEditor Translathon

Hello!

I'm pleased to announce the 2nd edition of the VisualEditor Translathon.

It is a translation rally, focused on interface messages and help pages related to VisualEditor. In order to participate, you need to sign up on the Translathon page on TranslateWiki.

The top 3 contributors will each win a Wikipedia t-shirt of their choice from the Wikipedia store[1]. Translations made between July 15th and July 19th (CDT time zone) qualify[2].

If you are at Wikimania Mexico this year, you are also welcome to join a related sprint during the hackathon in Workplace 1 - Don Américo, Thursday 16 July at 4pm (CDT) at the conference venue, so you can meet other fellow translators and get support if you need some.

Interface messages have the priority. You will need to create an account at translatewiki.net in order to work on them, if you don't have one. It is recommended to create the account ASAP, so that it can be confirmed in time.

You can also help translate documentation pages about VisualEditor on mediawiki.org. You can use your Wikipedia account to work there.

You will find instructions, links and other details on the Translathon page.

Thanks for your attention, and happy translating!
Elitre (WMF) 2015年7月13日 (月) 20:59 (UTC)

  1. ^ You can choose between any short-sleeve shirt, or other items for the same value.
  2. ^ This means both new translations, and updates for messages in the "Outdated" tab of the translation interface.

Can't pass the CAPTCHA

ユーザーエージェント: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/44.0.2403.155 Safari/537.36

ビジュアルエディターでCAPTCHAを10回程度入力しましたがクリアできませんでした。ソースから編集した結果1度でクリアできました。

Azyobuzin会話2015年8月14日 (金) 06:25 (UTC)

Hello Azyobuzin
Sorry to write in English, but I don't speak Japanese. I hope it will be ok for you.
I've reproduce this bug and notified the developers about this CAPTCHA issue. Thank you very much for reporting this bug! :)
Best, Trizek (WMF)会話2015年8月14日 (金) 09:38 (UTC)
チェック This bug has been fixed! Trizek (WMF)会話2015年8月28日 (金) 10:11 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #4—2015

Elitre (WMF), 2015年8月14日 (金) 22:28 (UTC)

VisualEditor: let's fix bugs!

Hello!

I'm really sorry to write this message in English, but I don't speak Japanese. A quick translation will be much appreciated :)

As you may know, there is currently some bugs related to Japanese language: sometimes, you type something and VE displays something else. I'm happy to announce you that WMF is starting to work on VisualEditor input method editor (IME) in order to fix specific bugs concerning Japanese language. We want to track all these bugs and fix them. I'm in charge of collecting this feedback, and I plan to send messages this week to people who speak both Japanese and English, to encourage them to participate.

Feel free to contact me if you have any question about VisualEditor!

All the best, Trizek (WMF)会話2015年8月17日 (月) 09:13 (UTC)

VEの日本語まわりのバグだしを

上でTrizekさんは下のように書いておられます:

I'm happy to announce you that WMF is starting to work on VisualEditor input method editor (IME) in order to fix specific bugs concerning Japanese language. We want to track all these bugs and fix them.

ウィキメディア財団は、VEの日本語まわりのバグを修正するためVEのIME改善に取り組む決意を固めたようです(という理解であってます?)。今なら、小さなバグも詳細に報告すれば対応していただけそうです。VEのバグを見つけた方は、できるだけこちらに報告していただければと思います。◆VEによる表作成やテンプレート追加はベテランユーザーにとっても(慣れさえすれば)非常に便利なものですので、今までVEを敬遠していた方もこの機会にもう一度使ってみていただければ幸いです。--miya会話2015年8月18日 (火) 10:37 (UTC)

Thank you Miya! I'll setup soon a page to collect IME bugs. Trizek (WMF)会話2015年8月18日 (火) 14:11 (UTC)

Page for feedback

Hello!

In order to collect all specific IME bugs, I've created this page. Feel free to add there every bugs you may have find. Also, feel free to ask me for any question!

All the best, Trizek (WMF)会話2015年8月24日 (月) 12:37 (UTC)

And do not hesitate to spread the word :) Trizek (WMF)会話2015年8月24日 (月) 14:14 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #5—2015

Elitre (WMF), 2015年10月30日 (金) 18:17 (UTC)

IMEバグ?

Wikipedia:ビジュアルエディター/フィードバック/IMEにバグと思われるものを報告しました。良ければ他の方も確認していただけないでしょうか。

I reported a bug on Wikipedia:ビジュアルエディター/フィードバック/IME. I would be thankful if you could confirm it. Thanks, --にょきにょき会話2015年11月8日 (日) 15:55 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #6—2015

Elitre (WMF), 2015年12月25日 (金) 00:06 (UTC)

The visual editor is coming to this wiki

Hello. Please excuse the English. 邦訳にご協力ください. ありがとうございます!

Hi everybody,

My name is Erica, and I am a Community Liaison at the Wikimedia Foundation. I'm here to let you know that the visual editor is coming to editors at this Wikipedia soon. It allows people to edit Wikipedia articles as if they were using word processing software.

You don't have to wait until the deployment to test it; you can test the visual editor right now. To turn it on, select "ベータ版" in your preferences. Choose "ビジュアルエディター" and click save. When it is enabled, you will press the "編集" button to edit an article in the new software. To use the wikitext editor, you can press "ソースを編集".

After the deployment, everyone will automatically have the option to use either the visual editor or the current wikitext editor. For more information about how to use the visual editor, see mw:Help:VisualEditor/User guide.

More information about preparing for the visual editor is posted here.

Thank you, and happy editing! --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 2016年2月5日 (金) 18:29 (UTC)

Reminder: the visual editor is coming to this wiki soon

Hello again. Please excuse the English. 邦訳にご協力ください. ありがとうございます!

This is a reminder that the visual editor is coming to all editors at this Wikipedia soon. As of this writing, the team is not aware of any issues specific to this language that should prevent the new software to be deployed here; therefore, please do let us know if you find any problems instead. You can report issues in Phabricator, the new bug tracking system or on the central feedback page on MediaWiki.org. There is a short guide at mediawiki.org that you can follow (as if it was a "checklist") to learn about the community work necessary to adapt the visual editor, and its referencing system in particular, to your community's needs.

If you can translate from English into this wiki's language, or know anyone who can, please follow the links below; just a little effort is required to make this language progress toward translations' completion! You'll help your community get the best possible experience when it comes to interface messages and documentation related to the visual editor. After you click on any links, your language should be available from the drop-down menu on the right. Once you've selected it, you'll see the document in English side by side with any translation work already done in your language. You can add new translations or modify existing ones. The interface is hosted at https://translatewiki.net; you'll need an account if you never translated there before. The other pages are at Mediawiki.org, for which you can use your regular Wikipedia account. You're welcome to contact me personally whenever you need help.

Thank you for your cooperation, and happy editing! --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 2016年2月26日 (金) 16:35 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #1—2016

Elitre (WMF), 2016年2月26日 (金) 19:21 (UTC)

制御文字が付いたカテゴリを削除できない

[9] において「Category:2013年竣工の建築物」を削除できません。カテゴリ名の最後に left-to-right mark (U+200E) が付いており、エラーが起きているようです。--Frozen-mikan会話2016年3月3日 (木) 09:29 (UTC)

Hi Frozen-mikan
Sorry for English, I hope that's fine for you.
Have you tried to remove this category from an other article?
Thanks, Trizek (WMF)会話2016年3月3日 (木) 16:04 (UTC)
Yes. I tried in other articles. There was no problem.
There is a problem with this category name only.
This category name contains control characters. --Frozen-mikan会話2016年3月3日 (木) 16:58 (UTC)
Thank you.
I forgot to ask you that final question: is this left-to-right mark relevant on that category name? I don't understand Japanese language at all, and I need to understand why this particular mark is used on that category. Do you know other categories which use that mark?
Best, Trizek (WMF)会話2016年3月4日 (金) 09:00 (UTC)
Thanks, Trizek
The control character is included in the source text of the article reported.
It has been included at the end of the category name. Therefore, there is no problem in other articles.
At that link, I can not delete a category that begins from "2013". Please ask anything. --Frozen-mikan会話2016年3月4日 (金) 11:04 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for the clarification. I've found the LRM on the category, which is only visible on HTML source. I've filed a ticket on Phabricator. Trizek (WMF)会話2016年3月4日 (金) 11:40 (UTC)

表のセルに日本語入力できない?

今日は表のセルに日本語を入力できませんでした。英語モードに切り替えて先に英数半角を入力し、つづけて日本語入力に切り替えて日本語を打つと受け付けられます。--miya会話2016年3月4日 (金) 17:12 (UTC)

Hello miya
Just today ? oO
Best, Trizek (WMF)会話2016年3月4日 (金) 18:03 (UTC)
Hello Trizek (WMF).
I have experienced it never before. I hope never after. ;) --miya会話2016年3月4日 (金) 22:14 (UTC)
To be precise I cant input Japanese letters to a cell only on Firefox 44.0.2. I can on Chrome 49.0.2623.75 m or IE 11.0.28.--miya会話2016年3月6日 (日) 06:14 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for the details miya, I've reported it. Trizek (WMF)会話2016年3月7日 (月) 11:41 (UTC)
Sorry miya, I have an other question: what is your input method? Which operating system are you using? Thanks, Trizek (WMF)会話2016年3月7日 (月) 17:23 (UTC)
I tried ローマ字入力 and かな入力 on Windows 7; ローマ字入力 on Windows 8.1. I added a message to try other browsers in case of a trouble here. Regards.--miya会話2016年3月8日 (火) 00:15 (UTC)
Trizek (WMF), today I could do it successfully! I'm very grateful to you and the VE team!--miya会話2016年3月17日 (木) 02:52 (UTC)
Wonderful! :) Trizek (WMF)会話2016年3月17日 (木) 10:46 (UTC)

一部のページでビジュアルエディターを使用出来ません。

改善を希望します。--Good2016hey会話2016年4月8日 (金) 06:54 (UTC)

「使用出来ません」というのはどのページのことでしょうか。ビジュアルエディターが使えるページと使えないページがあります。2016年4月現在、下記のようになっていると思います。--miya会話2016年4月10日 (日) 10:32 (UTC)
  • 使えるページ:記事 - ファイルページ - 利用者ページ - ヘルプページ - カテゴリーページ - ポータルページ
  • 使えないページ:Wikipediaページ - テンプレートページ - プロジェクトページ - モジュールページ - MediaWikiページ - 各ノートページ
ノートページです。使えるようにして欲しいです。--Good2016hey会話2016年4月10日 (日) 15:07 (UTC)
In most cases, the visual editor isn't enabled on certain namespaces because they feature complex graphic elements that can't be changed easily, or because the system lacks support for important features (for examples, it can not handle proper indentation, which is necessary in conversations). Anyway, you can request the enablement of the visual editor on any namespace (excluding talk pages), if you have community consensus. You just need to file a task like this one, pointing to the discussion which proves your community agrees with your plan. Hope this helps. --Elitre (WMF)会話2016年4月13日 (水) 15:45 (UTC)

The visual editor will be enabled on this wiki in early May

Hello again. Please excuse the English. 邦訳にご協力ください. ありがとうございます!

As per previous announcements, the visual editor (ビジュアルエディター) will be enabled at the Japanese Wikipedia in some days. Here's a quick explanation of what is going to happen: you can find a more detailed one, with pictures, at mediawiki.org. Please help me spread the word about this major change.

What's changing?
In the new system, you get a single edit tab which follows your preferences, and that therefore will launch the wikitext editor or the visual editor depending on which one you opened the last (最後に使用したエディターを記憶する).
This applies to everyone who edited recently, including anonymous users.
How do I switch to the other editor then?
Buttons on the toolbars of both editors were added months ago so that you can switch from one to the other every time you want to, without losing your changes and without having to save first.
The button, located on the right side of the toolbar, looks like square brackets ([[ ]]) in the visual editor, and like a pencil () in the wikitext editor.
Are there other options available?
Yes. You can choose whether you want to:
  • 可能であれば常にビジュアルエディターを使用する (if you temporarily switch to the wikitext editor through the button on the toolbar, the system won't remember it; also, it only applies to namespaces where the visual editor is available).
  • 常にソースエディターを使用する (if you temporarily switch to the visual editor through the button on the toolbar, the system won't remember it)
  • 両方のエディタータブを表示する (a system in place at multiple wikis since 2013. You are familiar with this option if you have been using the visual editor here.)
    • Please note: all the users will always have the opportunity to switch to the other editor via buttons on the toolbars, for occasional edits.
How do I set my preference?
  • If you want to try or to stay in the new system: you don't need to do anything.
  • If you had explicitly disabled the visual editor in the past and want to keep it disabled: you don't need to do anything.
  • All the registered users have a dropdown menu in the Editing tab of their Preferences (編集 --> 編集モード:), where they can choose from. This only needs to be done once after the system has been deployed. Don't forget to save ;)
    • Users with the visual editor disabled need to re-enable it if they're interested in accessing that menu!
  • People who use the visual editor regularly will see a pop-up (only once after the single edit tab system is introduced), and they can choose their favorite setting there. Of course, they can change their mind at any time just like the others, and pick a different setting from their Preferences.
    • Anonymous users who have used the visual editor recently will also be able to choose which editor they want to edit with.
    • Reminder: all the users will always have the opportunity to switch to the other editor via buttons on the toolbars, for occasional edits.

Please do let us know about any anomalies you think you're experiencing, and do post any other feedback here. I'd like to thank everyone who has already worked to make the transition easier for this community, and whoever will help me processing feedback in Japanese.

Thank you! --Elitre (WMF)会話2016年4月27日 (水) 18:41 (UTC)

@Elitre (WMF):, let me say about "single edit tab":please make "両方のエディタータブを表示する" default. If you make "single edit tab" only visible from the beginning, many jawp peole (at least I) would be angry by being forced to choose which. If you make the both tabs visible to jawp users, there would not come out much trouble. Sorry for my poor English - can you understand what I'm worrying?--miya会話2016年4月28日 (木) 21:46 (UTC)
My dear miya, thanks for your comment. Please do not worry about the English, as you know it's not my native language either. Let me now offer some additional information for your evaluation.
The Japanese Wikipedia has 2,300 registered users who are trying the visual editor (not all of them are active, of course). In the last month, this wiki had 12,300 registered active editors; I don't think imposing the additional visual editor tab on ten thousand people is what you want, specifically because most of them have chosen to not use the visual editor in time (besides, we aren't considering the anonymous editors, who will also be affected by the change, and they can't hide the visual editor tab).
There are 2 things we have learned in these years through formal user research and communities' feedback. One is that new users, the ones we hope to help with the visual editor, are confused by having 2 edit tabs, because they don't know which one they should click on. The other is that most of the other users, the ones who have been editing for years like you and me, actually want just one edit tab (at the Polish Wikipedia, where the single edit tab was introduced weeks ago, only 30% of the editors chose to keep the 2 tabs). Switching between the editors is conveniently available from buttons on the toolbars, and that seems to be working so far.
All the wikis will switch to the single edit tab system at some point (it's already on at the English Wikipedia, for example): deploying the visual editor with the 2 tabs system and then changing the system in a few weeks or months would totally confuse everyone here.
If we make both the tabs visible, most of those 12,300 users will have to go and change the editing setting from their Preferences. If we only offer one, some of the 2,300 users will be shown a pop-up where they can decide what they want to do, only once. So this is a matter of giving a minor annoyance (a pop-up) to a small number of users with the single edit tab, or giving a major annoyance (having to go to their Preferences to change) to everyone for the 2 tabs + changing things again in a short time. I really don't think you want your community to be upset by changes so often. Is there anything I can do or say to clarify things further? Is there a specific group of editors you are worried about? Thanks, and talk to you soon, --Elitre (WMF)会話2016年4月29日 (金) 09:40 (UTC)