ノート:箕子朝鮮
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[編集]誰がどんな悪意でやったことかわかりませんが9月14日の改悪が酷いのでその前の段階に差し戻しました。--111.188.14.15 2012年9月22日 (土) 05:47 (UTC)
箕子朝鮮に関するacademic consensus
[編集]- Kim, Jinwung『A History of Korea: From "Land of the Morning Calm" to States in Conflict』Indiana University Press、2012年、12頁。ISBN 978-0253000248。「Forinstance, the Chinese historian Sima Qian's Shiji, or Historical Records, described that when the Yin dynasty fell to the Zhou dynasty in 1122 BC, Jizi (Kija), a member of Yin royalty, with 5, 000 intellectuals and technicians in tow, migrated into Chosŏn to ascend the nation's throne.」
- Preucel, Robert W.『Contemporary Archaeology in Theory: The New Pragmatism』Wiley-Blackwell、2010年、333頁。ISBN 978-1-4051-5832-9。「Possible evidence of Kija has been found in the Yan state, however, near modern Beijing, and it is sometimes argued that the territorial extent of Choson included the Liaodong peninsula and the region around Beijing.」
- Xu, Stella Yingzi『That glorious ancient history of our nation』University of California, Los Angeles、2007年、215頁。ISBN 9780549440369。「In addition, there are some tombs attributed to Kija located in Shandong province. Some contend that Kija Choson was just one of numerous co-existing primitive states founded by Chinese refugees.」
- Xu, Stella Yingzi『That glorious ancient history of our nation』University of California, Los Angeles、2007年、214頁。ISBN 9780549440369。「Quite different from the overall trend of shifting Tan'gun from myth to reality, the long-believed authenticity of Kija Choson has been repeatedly challenged in the twentieth century. Until the late Choson period, Kija was highly respected as the most righteous gentleman who brought advanced Chinese civilization to Korea, and it was also because of Kija that Choson literati could proudly claim to be the only carrier of civilization after the establishment of the Qing dynasty in China proper. However, the pride of being Kija's descendants declined along with the weakening of China since the late nineteenth century.」
- Ho-Min, Sohn『The Korean Language』Cambridge University Press、2001年、37頁。ISBN 9780521369435。「According to Samguk Yusa, the Kica Cosen period was initiated around 1120 BC by Kica, a scion of the fallen Shang Dynasty of China who fled to Ancient Cosen and the Wiman Cosen period was begun around 194 BC by Wiman, a Chinese military leader of Yen who fled to Ancient Cosen and usurped the throne.」
- Barnes, Gina『State Formation in Korea』Routledge、2000年、10頁。ISBN 978-0700713233。「The first concerns a man named Qizi of China's Shang Dynasty (1700-1027 bc), who allegedly fled to Korea in 1122 bc during the fall of the Shang to the Zhou.…Legend holds that Dangun was succeeded by the sage Kija, a refugee from China. A high official in the Zhou dynasty, Kija was unhappy with the wicked emperor there and wanted to rule where people could live safely and in peace.」
- Hyung, Hyung Il『Constructing “Korean” Origins』Harvard University Press、2000年、116頁。ISBN 9780674002449。「During these early days of Yi Seong-gye's regime, Kija was picked as the key ancestral link for legitimizing the Yi dynastic claim to Chinese antiquity. Kija was selected first for his illustrious ties to the Shang royal family.」
- Stella, Xu『Reconstructing Ancient Korean History』Lexington Books、2016年、67頁。ISBN 978-1498521444。「After King Wu of the Zhou conquered Shang, Kija led five thousand Shang refugees to Chosŏn.」
- Tudisco, A.J『Asia Emerges』Diablo Press、1967年、336頁。ASIN B0006BT5YK。「Chi Tzu (whose name the Koreans pronounce Kija) sought refuge in Korea; there he founded a dynasty which ruled in the northwest.」
- Tudisco, A.J『Asia Emerges』Diablo Press、1967年、366頁。ASIN B0006BT5YK。「In 193 BC, a rebellion against the Kija Dynasty was led by Wiman, a Manchurian who had deserted the Chinese army and was serving Kija as a border guard.」
- Iggers, Georg G『A Global History of Modern Historiography』Pearson Education、2008年、277頁。ISBN 978-0582096066。「In the same vein, Sin dismissed the importance of the second Choson, or Kija Choson, because Kija, a successor to Tan'gun, was a Chinese prince related to the Shang royal family and exiled to Korea after the dynasty's fall, and during the Kija Choson there was tremendous Chinese cultural influence in Korea.」
- UNESCO, Korean National Commission『Korean History: Discovery of Its Characteristics and Developments』Hollym International Corporation、2004年、30頁。ISBN 978-1565911772。「It was the time when Yin perished in China and Gija Joseon was established in Korea.」
- Sazanov, Kuanysh-Beck『The Grand Chatrang Game』AuthorHouseUk、2014年、123頁。ISBN 978-1496997197。「The very first kingdom of Korean origin, named the kingdom of Gija Joseon, or Gojoseon, was founded in the twelfth century BC by a descendent of the Chinese Shang Dynasty and was also first recorded by Chinese sources in the seventh century BC.」
- Moose, Jacob Robert『Village Life in Korea』Nabu Press、2013年、18頁。ISBN 978-1287810490。「In the above mentioned year a great man by the name of Gija came with the fragments of a defeated army from China into Korea.」
- Tennant, Roger『History Of Korea』Routledge、1996年、4頁。ISBN 978-0710305329。「The alternative founder is Qizi, a Chinese nobleman of the thirteenth century BC who was exiled for refusing to recognize an Emperor who had usurped the throne.」
- Lee, Kenneth B.『Korea and East Asia: The Story of a Phoenix』Praeger、1997年、10頁。ISBN 978-0275958237。「The second kingdom of Korea was said to be founded during the Chinese Chu Dynasty of the Warring period, when a noted sage called Chi-tzu became disheartened with the lawless state of China and immigrated to Korea with five thousand followers in 1123 BC.」
- Bowman, John Stewart『Columbia Chronologies of Asian History and Culture』Columbia University Press、2000年、194頁。ISBN 978-0231110044。「According to ancient Chinese texts, Kija (Viscount Chi) leads a band of Shang dynasty loyalists into Korea, and establishes a kingdom with its capital at P'yongyang.」
- Patricia, Patricia『Pre-Modern East Asia: A Cultural, Social, and Political History, Volume :To 1800』Cengage Learning、2008年、100頁。ISBN 978-0547005393。「A story in the early Zhou Dynasty Book of Documents tells of a Chinese nobleman and sage, Kija (Qizi in Chinese), who advised King Wen of the Zhou Dynasty (ca. 1000 B.C.E.) and was rewarded by the grant of a fief called Choson (Chaoxian in Chinese), a term used in the Han Dynasty to refer to southern Manchuria and northern Korea.」
- Yu, Chai-Shin『The New History of Korean Civilization』iUniverse、2012年、18頁。ISBN 978-1462055593。「When some members of the ancient Eastern Yi tribe entered into Chosŏn, they were, it is believed, accompanied by some surviving members of the ruling class of the Chinese Yin (Shang) dynasty.Together, they founded a polity which became Kija Choson.」
- Pratt, Keith『Everlasting Flower: A History of Korea』Reaktion Books、2006年、18頁。ISBN 978-1861892737。「When Tan'gun had ruled for 1,500 years, the Chinese king Wu, founder of the Zhou dynasty, enfeoffed a man called Kija (Ch. Qizi) as the first king of Choson.」
- Stark, Miriam T.『Archaeology of Asia』Wiley-Blackwell、2008年、49頁。ISBN 978-1405102131。「Kija (Qizi in Chinese) is mentioned in documents from the Zhou Dynasty (founded around 1000 B.C.). Noted for his filial piety toward his ancestors the Shang kings, he was allowed to take a retinue of people, leave the central Chinese state and set up a state in the east called Choson (Chaoxian).」
- Wells, Kenneth M『Korea: Outline of a Civilisation』Brill、2015年、47頁。ISBN 978-9004299719。「The T'ang viewed Kija as an ancient Chinese feudal overlord of the peninsula. Wang and the Koryŏ establishment, for their part, naturally enough regarded him as the founder of Kija Chosŏn, and claimed to be his successor.」
- Meyer, Milton W.『Asia: A Concise History』Rowman & Littlefield Publishers、1997年、118頁。ISBN 978-0847680634。「It was founded in the late twelfth century B.C. by a member of the Shang royal line, who fled with several thousand followers to escape the Zhou.」
- Yi, Hun-gu『A History of Land Systems and Policies in Korea』University of Wisconsin--Madison、1929年、1頁。「His descendants governed the people until Kija, a wise Chinese philosopher came to the country. Later in 193 B.C. King Kijun was overthrown by his subject Wiman, a refugee from China, and fled to the southern part of the Korean peninsula.」
- Yi, Hyŏn-hŭi『New history of Korea』Jimoondang、2005年、93頁。「Around 1100 B.C., Gija and his family took refuge in the western border area of Old Joseon. Gija was a descendant of the royal family of the Chinese Shang Dynasty and became a feudal lord to whom the title "ja" was granted, together with a feud, called a "gi" As the Shang Dynasty fell to the Zhou tribe, Gija sought shelter in the western Luanhe River basin.」
- Linduff, Katheryn M.『Are All Warriors Male?: Gender Roles on the Ancient Eurasian Steppe』AltaMira Press、2008年、123頁。ISBN 978-0759110748。「Kija (Qizi) is described in the Zhou Li as a high official of the defeated Shang dynasty who was allowed to lead five thousand followers into exile in the northeast in about 1000 BCE, to found the state of Chosun.」
- Clemens Jr, Walter C.『Getting to Yes in Korea』Routledge、2009年、29頁。ISBN 978-1594514067。「Kija founded a colony at Pyongyang in 1122 BCE and gave his subjects the Five Laws laying out their duties.」
- Hwang, Kyung Moon『A History of Korea: An Episodic Narrativea』Palgrave MacMillan、2010年、4頁。ISBN 978-0230205451。「This theme was exemplified by the well-known story, eventually integrated into the “Old Chos̆on” narrative, that Tan'gun was succeeded by a sage named Kija, a refugee from Chou dynasty China, in the centuries before Kogury came into being.」--2001:268:C0D0:7A1E:3D5A:1664:441C:7FC5 2022年1月20日 (木) 10:43 (UTC)
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[編集]ノート:宇山卓栄において歴史学の非専門家である宇山卓栄氏の言説を削除することを提案しています。--らりた（会話） 2022年11月30日 (水) 12:12 (UTC)
記事の整理について
[編集]本記事は「箕子朝鮮」自体の説明がなく現代の歴史論争についての非常に乱雑なまとめ記事となっていることから衛氏朝鮮の記事同様、整理を提案します。理由はノート:衛氏朝鮮で書いた内容とほとんど同じなので詳細は省きますが、衛氏朝鮮との大きな相違点として箕子朝鮮については一般的な説明が可能な情報は乏しく、ほとんど全削除に相当するような編集になるかと思うのでノートにまず提案します。基本的に現在の記述のうち、以下の節についてはまず単純削除が妥当だろうと思います。
- 王統
- 各国の見解
- 東北工程と箕子朝鮮
- 日帝植民史観と箕子朝鮮
- 韓国・北朝鮮での捉え方
- 論点
- 韓国の教科書における箕子朝鮮
- 韓国の教科書における箕子朝鮮の変遷
- 北朝鮮による箕子陵の破壊
- 箕子朝鮮に対する評価
その上で、概要節自体も大きく整理が必要だろうと思います。整理後には量的にはかなり小さな記事になってしまうと思いますが、現状あるような箕子朝鮮自体の説明とは言い難い内容で膨れ上がっているよりは良いのではないかと思います。--TEN（会話） 2023年4月8日 (土) 14:39 (UTC)
- ご提案に賛成します。「箕子朝鮮に対する評価」と述べながら檀君朝鮮に対する評価であったり、衛氏朝鮮に対する評価であったりととにかく「箕子朝鮮を伝説とみなす」見解だったら（ヒストリーチャンネルとか黄文雄とか宮脇淳子とか）何でも採用する雑食な記述ではどこまでいっても百科事典的な内容にはなりえません。きちんと「箕子朝鮮に対する史学史」をまとめられるならその方が良いと思いますが、現状の記述はただずらずらと並べているだけで有用とは到底言い難いですので削除に賛成します。--らりた（会話） 2023年4月10日 (月) 11:29 (UTC)
- ありがとうございます。さしあたり一通り整理を実施しました。概要節についても確度の低い説や考古学的発見についての細かい記述について羅列しても益は少ないと思われるので基本的に各種の概説書、具体的には『世界各国史 2 朝鮮史』（山川出版社）、『世界の歴史 6 隋唐帝国と古代朝鮮』（中央公論新社）、『朝鮮史研究入門』（名古屋大学出版会）に書かれている内容＋α程度まで削りました。これについては必ずしも自信がある変更ではないので今後改善されればと思います。--TEN（会話） 2023年4月15日 (土) 07:18 (UTC)