利用者‐会話:だ＊ぜ/2018

Please stop posting machine translations

Hello,

I saw the article that you posted on the Japanese Wikipedia. Unfortunately, the wording is a mess, and I could not understand your Japanese. When you created it, did you use machine translation? The quality of machine translations is usually very poor, and machine translations to Japanese are almost never useful. If you post articles with machine-translated Japanese to the Japanese Wikipedia, most of your translations will be deleted. They will still be deleted even if you post them many times. Please stop posting machine translations here.

When translating articles for the Japanese Wikipedia, you must also be careful to obey Wikipedia's content license, the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License (CC-BY-SA 3.0). To fulfil this license, you must include the name of the original article and the timestamp of the revision that you are translating from in the edit summary box (the small white box underneath the edit window). If you don't do this, your article will be deleted.

If you continue to post machine translations, you will be blocked from editing. If you want to post in Japanese to the Japanese Wikipedia, please find a native Japanese speaker, or someone with near-native Japanese ability.

Thank you for only using manual translations. -- JapaneseA（会話） 2018年8月16日 (木) 21:46 (UTC)

@JapaneseA:For using English, here, I want to give much appreciation. However, here comes the problems:

• According to AFG, you had questioned me for using a translation program by no reason. Which means, you had just broken the rule of AFG.
• For posting Japanese Wikipedia (jawiki) page, here to declaim, the Japanese Proper Nouns will not be taught in Japanese classes. If the problem of Proper Nouns makes jawiki wikipedian feel confused, I'd like to correct or recorrect, BUT NOT in a warning format.
• Thus, the origin had been placed in the Template. By the translating program from Wikipedia, it may add Template automatically.

-- だ＊ぜ 謹此敬上 留言Comment𓋹簽名Signature 2018年8月17日 (金) 10:41 (UTC)

I could not understand your Japanese. All, Everything

If I will added next Sentence ofwehof sewjkfweao w4topjero erfojgerop 2j5pdfgn , you will write "I could not understand your English".

Then, I write next message.

you had questioned me for using a translation program by no reason. Which means, you had just broken the rule of AFG."

You could not understand ofwehof sewjkfweao w4topjero erfojgerop 2j5pdfgn. Offcourse ,me too. Because This sentence is not English.

I could not understand your Japanese. Because This is not Japanese.--JapaneseA（会話） 2018年8月17日 (金) 12:32 (UTC)

@JapaneseA:Review to your words, the logic of yours cannot be understood by me. To Repeat my words again, the Proper Nouns will not be taught in Japanese classes. What if there is an article, it fills with proper nouns which cannot be found through the ways you can use?

1. I had added the Template {{翻訳直後}}, to show it is translated and needed for help.
2. Asking someone to be blocked is not a good choice to start a communication.
3. The example you showed does not make any sense.

Let me tell you one, if i give a 言葉, every Japanese knows what it is. When i give 話語, you may have a guess of it. Since nobody could be more familiar with Japanese than Japanese people, you may correct it which likes I did in 大阪 to correct the shops' English mistakes. How hard is to give a hand? How easy is to complain? What you did is just a quote out of context.

—— だ＊ぜ 謹此敬上 留言Comment𓋹簽名Signature 2018年8月17日 (金) 12:56 (UTC)

I can not understand your Japanese at all. Because your Japanese is not Japanese. You do not have the ability to write Japanese.--JapaneseA（会話） 2018年8月17日 (金) 13:04 (UTC)

@JapaneseA:The conversation could no longer continue, since you are here insulting me. No matter how many times I repeated my words, you still cannot understand, do you?

1. I had added the Template {{翻訳直後}}, to show it is translated and needed for help.
2. the Proper Nouns will not be taught in Japanese classes.

I will no longer pardon that. The qualification is there, and the examiner is not you. In the qualification exam, they will not give such a question like how to translate 下闋 into Japanese. They will not give a lesson on how to use the Wikipedia Japanese. However, you think everyone here already know how to edict, don't you? I want to help Jawiki, but you give me "you will be blocked from editing". Read more about these: Wikipedia:個人攻撃はしない・Wikipedia:礼儀を忘れない・Wikipedia:善意にとる・Wikipedia:新規参加者を苛めないでください.

What I did is just ページの編集は大胆に. No matter what I did in zhwiki or wikimedia, here in jawiki, I am new. I am a freshman. I am a rookie.

——だ＊ぜ 𓋹 謹此敬上 2018年8月17日 (金) 13:21 (UTC)

I raise Wikipedia:投稿ブロック依頼/だ＊ぜ.--JapaneseA（会話） 2018年8月17日 (金) 14:52 (UTC)

Regrettably, I should say that your level of Japanese composition is far lower than that implicitly required to writers/editors of Japanese Wikipedia. You may feel our claims are just kinds of personal attack. However, although JapaneseA's words may be too strong, I think most of native Japaneses speakers agree to the substance of his claim. If you have Japanese friends or associates, you had better show them printouts of your texts posted here. I believe you can understand what we mean. Wikipedia is not school, and participants should be "professional" writers. The template 翻訳直後 cannot be a pardon. I don't doubt your integrity, but think that this is not an occasion for you to consume time to Japanese Wikipedia. --Dropped out biologist（会話） 2018年8月18日 (土) 15:10 (UTC)

@Dropped out biologist:For the words you said, is far more acceptable than User:JapaneseA did. In the Template of 翻訳直後, there is a origin of the page. I would like to invite you to join the conversation Wikipedia:投稿ブロック依頼/だ＊ぜ, since it should not be a punishment, and I break no rules.

Here, I would like to apologize to the Japanese wikipeidan for increasing the amount of works. However, I still feel there will be no such a page if I did not do that thing. The apologise was shown when I did my translation, but non of my decision will cause a regret of that behaviour. Therefore, here I promise not to add new page or translation untill I get a proper Japanese ability. ——だ＊ぜ（会話） 2018年8月18日 (土) 15:25 (UTC)

I'm glas to find last sentence of your comment. Good decison. I expect you to return with appropriate ability in near future. I'm sorry, but I don't fullfill requirement to get the qualification to comment to 投稿ブロック依頼, and thus I will add comment here to other wikipedians.

こことブロック依頼の両方を読んでいるであろう皆様へ。編集回数が足りていないのであちらには私は書けないのでここにブロック依頼について所見を書いておきます。この方の日本語は確かに品質が低い。しかし、 2018年8月17日 (金) 14:52 (UTC)のコメントのように表現されなければならないほど意味不明とも思えません。言い過ぎの面もあったのではないでしょうか。とりあえず、加筆を控える旨コメントをいただきました。これにより、現時点でのブロックの必然性は大幅に減少したと私は考えます。--Dropped out biologist（会話） 2018年8月18日 (土) 17:49 (UTC)

@Dropped out biologist:What I mean is to suggest a neutral person to translate the words into Japanese. For the words of 被依賴人, will not be paid attention on. A neutral person is exactly what this situation needs.

Whatever you did or not, thank you very much for your patience. Much appreaciation.——だ＊ぜ（会話） 2018年8月18日 (土) 18:16 (UTC)