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ももいろクローバーZについて
Hi! Your user page says that you speak English, so I'll write in English. You edit Momoiro Clover Z articles both in Japanese and in English, so really need to read the rules of both Japanese and English Wikipedias. Read these ones:
- Wikipedia:特筆性 (音楽) (You probably hadn't read it prior to this edit: [1]. I admit that there are too many unused sources in Z女戦争, but they will be useful if someone decides to write a better article there. The more the better. The sources will also defend the article from deletion in 100 years from now.)
- en:Wikipedia:Non-free content (You probably hadn't read it prior to this edit: [2]. The album cover can only be used to illustrate the article about the album. Actually, the cover could have been used in the article about the group, to illustrate an article section if if it was discussed there. But it isn't discussed anywhere in en:Momoiro Clover Z presently.)
By the way, it would be really nice if you write a proper English-language article about Momoiro Clover Z. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年8月16日 (木) 11:02 (UTC)
- I apologize for bothering you. I really understand what you pointed out about the sources of Z女戦争. I also read the rules of Wikipedia.
- As for the album cover, I have a question. I'd like to change the photo of Momoiro Clover Z on English page because it includes 6 members. If the use of the album cover isn't allowed, what is the alternative solution? I've looked for a proper licenced picture for Wikipedia, but I haven't found it yet. Could you give me an idea? --Anosola(会話) 2012年8月17日 (金) 03:30 (UTC)
It's a difficult question... Try reading this for now: Image use policy, Wikipedia:Finding images tutorial.
Here's what I can think of:
- A public domain image or an image with a Commons-compatible license (it can be used in the infobox). You can upload a photo with a Commons-compatible license to Wikimedia Commons, so it can be used in Wikipedias in all languages.
- Find a photo on Flickr. Read the hatnote here: Commons:Flickr files. (But there's no properly-licensed Momoiro Clover photo on Flickr.)
Example: Read the last comment, I'm asking on Flickr to change the license of a photo of a ℃-ute advertisement in Shibuya. (The author didn't reply.) - Take a photo youself. If you are allowed to take a photo at a live event, take it and upload to Wikimedia Commons.
- Write to Stardust Promotion or King Records and ask them to upload a free photo or to give Wikipedia permission to use a photo. Read this for more information: Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission, Wikipedia:Declaration of consent for all enquiries. It's difficult but it's doable. I can't do it cause my Japanese is bad.
- Find a photo on Flickr. Read the hatnote here: Commons:Flickr files. (But there's no properly-licensed Momoiro Clover photo on Flickr.)
- A fair use image. Read this: Wikipedia:Non-free content. You can't upload a fair use image to Wikipedia Commons, it can only be uploaded to each Wikipedia (English, Russian, etc.) separately. As I understand it, there's no such thing as fair use in Japan, so such an image can't be used in the Japanese Wikipedia.
Therefore, what you can do in the English Wikipedia:- Wait (hopefully, 100 years) till Momoiro Clover breaks up, then you can use a fair use photo in the infobox. (Cause, as I understand it, Wikipedia guidelines say that if a new photo can theoretically be taken any moment, a fair use image is not allowed. For example, if a musical group breaks up, a person dies or goes to prison for a long time, then a new photo can't be taken in the near future and a fair use image is allowed.)
- Use a fair use photo in the article text (not in the infobox) to illustrate the text. For example, an image might be necessary to describe their costumes and colors, to illustrate some important event in the history of Momoiro Clover, etc. It may be also possible to illustrate an old member lineup of Momoiro Clover with a fair use image. You must be prepared to defend a fair use image from deletion from Wikipedia because there will certainly be people thinking the image isn't really needed.
I'm not sure that I'm 100% correct, by the way. I researched the matter of photos (cause the ℃-ute article doesn't have any) and that's what I came with. Berryz工房 have a picture now, cause they performed in the USA and someone took a photo. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年8月17日 (金) 13:30 (UTC)
1.1. above seems to be the best solution. So I logged on to Flickr and sent a direct message to the author who took pictures of Momoclo. I'm looking forward to the reply from him. I really appreciate your great help! --Anosola(会話) 2012年8月18日 (土) 09:17 (UTC)
- You are welcome. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年8月18日 (土) 10:53 (UTC)
- I just wanted to add that after you upload an image from Flickr to Wikipedia, a Wikipedia bot should check its license at Flickr automatically. So, as long as the original image isn't deleted from Flickr, there shouldn't be any problems. But if it's deleted... I don't know what happens then... So the best way is to ask the author to upload the original image with embedded EXIF data directly to Wikipedia, stating in the description that the person is the owner of the picture. The fact that an image is large and contains EXIF data proves (more of less) that it is the original photo and not something downloaded from the Internet. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年8月18日 (土) 19:00 (UTC)
- That seems to be a usuful imformation. I'll try several approaches. Thanks a lot. --Anosola(会話) 2012年8月20日 (月) 04:29 (UTC)
おどるポンポコリンのももクロカバーのページが、目次しかないので加筆を求めました(ももクロページ内ではなくおどるポンポコリンページ内です)。 もしよかったら作成してもらえませんか? gratin(会話) 2019年9月15日 (日) 14:10 (UTC)
おどるポンポコリンのももクロカバーのページが、目次しかないので加筆を求めました(ももクロページ内ではなくおどるポンポコリンページ内です)。 もしよかったら作成してもらえませんか? gratin(会話) 2019年9月15日 (日) 14:11 (UTC)
英語版ウィキペディアのMomoiro Clover Zについて
You also deleted half the Momoiro Clover Z article. (I can't find the edit when you removed it but anyway a third of the article text is missing.) Please familiaze yourself with Wikipedia a little bit before continuing to edit. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年8月16日 (木) 11:30 (UTC)
- I admit that it was improper to change the article by a large margin. I refrain voluntarily from editing the passages in English Wikipedia for a while. I try to be familiar with the rules and so on. --Anosola(会話) 2012年8月17日 (金) 03:41 (UTC)
- No problem. It wasn't improper to change the whole article. "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that anyone can edit". :) --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年8月17日 (金) 13:30 (UTC)
Photo of Momoiro Clover
I uploaded a new version of the photo by Marcello Masiero. The license allows modification of the work, so I cropped it. I'm not sure it's the best I can do but it's better than before: [3]. (Just wanted to tell you cause i've already replaced the original photo with the new version everywhere.) --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年9月8日 (土) 12:37 (UTC)
It looks really impressive! Thanks a lot :D --Anosola(会話) 2012年9月8日 (土) 12:55 (UTC)
Momoiro Clover Z in the English Wikipedia
Hi! Could you help me a bit? I'm currently creating articles about Momoclo in the English Wikipedia, and I've noticed that that some of the new articles may be eligible to appear on the main page in the Did you know section. To appear in the section, an article must be new (or expanded 5-fold) and have more than 1500 characters. But I have difficulties in understanding some news articles I've found, so I need some help to write more and better. For example, I have more sources for "Mōretsu Uchū Kōkyōkyoku Dai 7 Gakushō "Mugen no Ai"", but I can't understand some details: about the surprise live and about Momoclo's tour in support of the single. Could you help me with some details? --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月10日 (月) 02:27 (UTC)
- You can't understand some details of Japanese websites, right? In that case, I'll explain what the articles mean.
- Thank you! For now, I've decided to create more nominations very fast. Cause I only have 5 days since creation. Then, I will have some time to think and I'll ask you some details I don't understand. Look, I've already created 2 nominations: Template:Did you know nominations/Mōretsu Uchū Kōkyōkyoku Dai 7 Gakushō "Mugen no Ai", Template:Did you know nominations/Saraba, Itoshiki Kanashimitachi yo .--Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月10日 (月) 14:59 (UTC)
- Let me confirm. You don't need my help as for the articles above, do you?--Anosola(会話) 2012年12月11日 (火) 14:40 (UTC)
- Thank you! For now, I've decided to create more nominations very fast. Cause I only have 5 days since creation. Then, I will have some time to think and I'll ask you some details I don't understand. Look, I've already created 2 nominations: Template:Did you know nominations/Mōretsu Uchū Kōkyōkyoku Dai 7 Gakushō "Mugen no Ai", Template:Did you know nominations/Saraba, Itoshiki Kanashimitachi yo .--Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月10日 (月) 14:59 (UTC)
- By the way, I'd like to mention two opinions about Japanese Wikipedia.
- 1) you are apt to add references too much. Actually, they will be useful if someone decides to write a better article there. However, many of the references you added are nothing special. Furthermore, some of them include quite similar contents. The more the references are added, the less smoothly the users read the sentences.
- Yes, that's exactly why I'm adding so many references - to provide sources for anyone who decides to expand the article in the future. There's one more possible solution: to place links on the talk page for the future. In a year's time, some may be hard to find. You are right about smoothness and too many similar references. It's that it would take me too much time to write more myself, so I'm just placing the references for anyone else. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月10日 (月) 14:59 (UTC)
- 2) In single pages, mention of CD editions seems to be needless as for 概要 section. We can find the editions seeing 収録曲 section. So I'd like to smplify the articles.
- --Anosola(会話) 2012年12月10日 (月) 11:58 (UTC)
- I find it very useful. I must say that on the official website you can see immediately how many versions there were. Cause there are covers for all versions and the site's lay-out is very clear. In Wikipedia, a reader can't see it. There's no harm in adding a couple of sentences with a simple explanation in prose. In the English Wikipedia, it is highly encouraged to write everything out in prose. For example, like I did in the English Wikipedia here: en:Mōretsu Uchū Kōkyōkyoku Dai 7 Gakushō "Mugen no Ai"#Release. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月10日 (月) 14:59 (UTC)
- It's not correct to remove parts of articles like this. It would be correct if I came to another article and added something that wasn't there before and you objected. But the sentence was there for a long time and I object to deleting it. You need to propose deleting the sentence and open a discussion of the article's talk page. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月10日 (月) 17:08 (UTC)
- I must apology for my improper edit. If you don't mind, let's suspend the discussion because we have the works below to do immediately.--Anosola(会話) 2012年12月11日 (火) 14:50 (UTC)
Anyway, there are more important things than arguing about that now... Could you help with inventing some Did You Know? hooks for articles about 「行くぜっ!怪盗少女」 and 「Z女戦争」? Something that looks like one of the sentences here: Template:Did you know. For example, "Did you know... ...that "Otome Sensō" was certified Gold by the Recording Association of Japan?" But it should be something more clever. The fact must be mentioned in the article and have a reliable source. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月10日 (月) 17:22 (UTC)
Another DYK nomination: Template:Did you know nominations/Akari Hayami. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月11日 (火) 12:51 (UTC)
I posted here: ノート:ももいろクローバーZ#DYK nominations in the English Wikipedia. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月11日 (火) 13:44 (UTC)
- I got it! Please give me a moment to invent the hooks. I'll soon reply in ノート:ももいろクローバーZ#DYK nominations in the English Wikipedia page.--Anosola(会話) 2012年12月11日 (火) 14:50 (UTC)
DYK nominations in the English Wikipedia
I've created some Momoiro Clover-related articles in the English Wikipedia. And I'm nominating some of them to appear on the main page (of the English Wikipedia) in the "Did you know" section. You can read the rules here: Wikipedia:Did you know.
I have nominated already:
- Template:Did you know nominations/Mōretsu Uchū Kōkyōkyoku Dai 7 Gakushō "Mugen no Ai"
- Template:Did you know nominations/Saraba, Itoshiki Kanashimitachi yo
- Template:Did you know nominations/Akari Hayami.
At present, I need some interesting facts about:
- Momoka Ariyasu (有安杏果)
- "Ikuze! Kaitō Shōjo" (「行くぜっ!怪盗少女」)
- "Otome Sensō" (「Z女戦争」)
And possibly about: (These 2 articles are too short to be eligible for DYK presently, first they must be expanded to at least 1500 characters of prose.)
- "Z Densetsu: Owarinaki Kakumei" (「Z伝説 〜終わりなき革命〜」)
- "D' no Junjō" (「D'の純情」)
It must be done fast because an article must be created (of expanded fivefold) not more that 5 days prior to be eligible for a DYK nomination.
By the way, a fact can be stupid and can sound like something from the yellow press. (The more funny a fact is, the more views the article gets.) The DYK fact must be mentioned in the article and must have a reliable source. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月11日 (火) 13:24 (UTC)
- Did you know the song in which the cute girls perform hard acrobatics? Some members turn cartwheels and the leader of the group performs a handspring and an anomalistic high jump like artistic gymnastics.
- I suggest this passage. Also I added a new section to Ikuze! Kaitō Shōjo. If you are satisfied with this, I'll think about other DYKs.--Anosola(会話) 2012年12月12日 (水) 01:45 (UTC)
- The hook must contunue the phrase from "Did you know that...". But your suggestion and your addition to the article are very helpful. It's the idea that is most important. I can always rephrase it. I think your idea is better than what I had. By all means, invent more. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月12日 (水) 02:07 (UTC)
- I think your idea for the hook for "Ikuze! Kaitō Shōjo" can't be used, cause the fact isn't sourced from a reliable source. But I will think of something. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月13日 (木) 03:07 (UTC)
Could you find some articles about 有安杏果? I've searched and couldn't find much: http://topics.excite.co.jp/keywords/有安杏果/ --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月12日 (水) 04:29 (UTC)
- How about this one?[4]
- Did you know that Momoka hadn't been able to ride a bicycle till 17 years old?.--Anosola(会話)
- It's sourced from a blog. The hook must be sourced from a reliable third-party source. (I didn't see this message yesterday, by the way. I've just noticed it.) --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月13日 (木) 07:22 (UTC)
Another nomination: Template:Did you know nominations/Otome Sensō. The word "band" would sound better in this hook, but people don't like calling idol groups "bands", so I didn't. I can still change it. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月12日 (水) 06:46 (UTC)
- Japanese people's image is that a band plays some instruments. But you can use the term "girls' unit"..--Anosola(会話)
Look at the article about Momoka Ariyasu, please. Please read the sources (they are very short) and correct the article if something is wrong. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月12日 (水) 13:37 (UTC)
- I revised a bit. I also suggest the DYK below.
- Did you know that there's a famous Japanese idol who is said to be stupid but acyually always studying? --Anosola(会話) 2012年12月12日 (水) 14:22 (UTC)
- Thank you for your corrections! I had actually thought about using the same fact like you proposed. But I couldn't come up with a good wording for it. Your version is better than what I had. I will think a bit more, but I will have to nominate the article in a few hours anyway. I can always change the hook later. Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月12日 (水) 15:06 (UTC)
- Here: Template:Did you know nominations/Momoka Ariyasu. I used your version almost exactly.
The hook is: "Did you know that Japanese girl group Momoiro Clover Z member Momoka Ariyasu is said to be stupid but is actually always studying?"Thank you for you help! --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月12日 (水) 16:25 (UTC)
- Here: Template:Did you know nominations/Momoka Ariyasu. I used your version almost exactly.
- I modified it now to sound more intriguing: Template:Did you know nominations/Momoka Ariyasu. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月12日 (水) 23:57 (UTC)
Your version seems to be perfect. By the way, who will decide to adopt an article from the nominations in order to run on the top page? Actually, I couldn't understand the system well.... --Anosola(会話) 2012年12月13日 (木) 14:05 (UTC)
- Could you help with finding some sources for the first 3 paragraphs of the biography section of the Momoka Ariyasu article? For example, a source for her being in Sister Rabbits or EXPG. I've just learned that one of the requirements for DYK nominations is that the article has to have one source per paragraph. (I can combine the first 3 paragraphs into 2 or even one. But I still need a couple of sources.) --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月13日 (木) 15:15 (UTC)
- I've been looking for a reliable third-party source, but it's so difficult. Please wait a moment.--Anosola(会話) 2012年12月14日 (金) 12:27 (UTC)
- I don't think it's perfect, it's too long. But I haven't been able to come up with a better wording. If you invent a better hook, we can change it. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月13日 (木) 15:15 (UTC)
- I'm not sure but I think that: 1. First someone has to review the articles. (To check if the article meets the requirements and if the DYK fact is present in the article and properly sourced.) My articles have not been reviewed yet but it's probably due to the fact that no one can read Japanese sources. 2. After that, I think they will all appear in the DYK section sooner or later. I don't know who does it, but they are placed in some kind of a queue. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月13日 (木) 15:15 (UTC)
- Okay. I understand the system.--Anosola(会話) 2012年12月14日 (金) 12:27 (UTC)
Complete list of nominations:
- Template:Did you know nominations/Momoka Ariyasu
- Template:Did you know nominations/Akari Hayami
- Template:Did you know nominations/Ikuze! Kaitō Shōjo
- Template:Did you know nominations/Z Densetsu: Owarinaki Kakumei
- Template:Did you know nominations/Mōretsu Uchū Kōkyōkyoku Dai 7 Gakushō "Mugen no Ai"
- Template:Did you know nominations/Otome Sensō
- Template:Did you know nominations/Saraba, Itoshiki Kanashimitachi yo
I think most hooks need rephrasing to be more interesting, clear and concise. Any suggestions? --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月14日 (金) 02:37 (UTC)
猛烈宇宙交響曲・第七楽章「無限の愛」 is on the front page. The entry is: "Did you know
- ... that Marty Friedman left Megadeth only to get mixed up with bodacious space pirates?"
(Here's a permanent link to that version of the Did you know? column: [5].) --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月18日 (火) 14:13 (UTC)
- I'm so pleased at Momoclo's DYK appearing on the top page. Thank you for informing me!--Anosola(会話) 2012年12月18日 (火) 14:48 (UTC)
- The article got 7,087 views today! Statistics: [6] .--Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月19日 (水) 00:32 (UTC)
- That's amazing. I didn't know so many people consult Wikipedia. I was also surprised at the fact that Momoiro Clover Z(English) gets hundreds of views every day!! I wonder what kinds of people read the article. Are there some Mononofu even in your country? --Anosola(会話) 2012年12月20日 (木) 23:38 (UTC)
- 7,087 views don't seem much but are a very good result. The DYK page is one of the most clicked in December: Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics#December 2012. Momoiro Clover Z in English will get much more views when the new Sailor Moon series come out. I don't really know if there are many mononofus. I know Hello! Project and AKB48 have some fans, but Momoiro Clover Z is much less known. But "even" is not the right word, cause Russia is a big country, so it has to have some fans.
- Views
- EN: AKB48, Morning Musume, Cute (Japanese band), Momoiro Clover Z (for comparison: Big Bang (South Korean band))
- RU: AKB48, Morning Musume, Cute, Momoiro Clover Z (Big Bang)
- FR: AKB48, Morning Musume, Cute, Momoiro Clover Z (Big Bang (groupe))
- ES: AKB48, Morning Musume, °C-ute, Momoiro Clover Z (Big Bang (banda))
- PT: AKB48, Morning Musume, °C-ute, Momoiro Clover Z (Big Bang (banda)) --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月21日 (金) 07:59 (UTC)
- Thank you for showing the details. It's so curious that °Cute is more famous than Momoclo in Russia. That's not the case in Japan. Moreover, I was so amazed that Big Bang gains popularity more than AKB48 in other countries! --Anosola(会話) 2012年12月22日 (土) 12:42 (UTC)
- Outside Japan, K-pop is much, much more popular than J-pop. Big Bang has just given two consecutive concerts in London at ウェンブリー・アリーナ (the arena's capacity is over 10,000). ℃-ute has existed for a long time and has to be more known. If you look at the view statistics, Momoclo has overcome ℃-ute by the number of views in the English Wikipedia just recently. Still, AKB48 and Momoclo and Hello! Project are known only among Japanese anime / drama / pop culture fans, they aren't commonly known. The Japanese pop culture is like a subculture in Russia (and everywhere else in the world), which means that there are many people in Russia who listen almost exclusively to the Japanese music, watch only anime, etc. Most of them have not even heard about Momoiro Clover yet, but Russia is a big country and Moscow is a big city, and there's some demand for any Japanese music. Japanese rock artists like Gackt, L'Arc~en~Ciel, Versaille, D'espairsRay, An Cafe, D have given concerts in Moscow at arenas with the capacity of 2,000 people, but no idols ever gave a commercial concert (AKB48 came only for a Japanese festival once). If Momoclo comes with a concert to Moscow, there won't be almost any real hardcore fans, but everyone who likes Japanese music and has extra $70 to spend on the ticket will come. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月22日 (土) 23:12 (UTC)
- I hope that Momoclo will hold concerts in many places around the world someday! By the way, how are the things below going?
DYK nomination for 行くぜっ!怪盗少女
Hi! Could you look at these two sources: [7] (3月3日『メジャーデビュー公開調印式 in 明治記念館』イベントレポート), [8]. I don't seem to understand what happened at the March 3 ceremony. What was signed? A preliminary agreement (since Reni was over the idol weight)? Or a contract (but with the condition that Reni would pass the weight regulation later)? Could you find a source about her passing the test later? I need the answers for this discussion: Template:Did you know nominations/Ikuze! Kaitō Shōjo. If you have time, you can just correct the English Wikipedia article "Ikuze! Kaitō Shōjo" yourself. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月17日 (月) 05:58 (UTC)
It was a conditional contract. But a source about Reni passing the test later doesn't exist. In fact, this event is said to have been just a farce. One of the fans who was invited there said Reni seemed to have hidden a weight under her clothing. If this rumor is true, the major debut had been determined regardless of the contract. Therefore, this event is not mentioned very much on Japanese Wikipedia (I even think we had better delete the section on English Wikipedia). Reni's becoming too thin later has little to do with this event, in my opinion.--Anosola(会話) 2012年12月17日 (月) 07:30 (UTC)
- I personally thought it was a promotion gone wrong. If you say is was a farce, then we probably shouldn't use it for the hook. But deleting the mention of the event from the article is not an option, I think. Because it is sourced from a very reliable source. And it is already in the Promotion section. Could you suggest a better hook? I originally created the nomination with the hook "... that the dance routine for the song "Ikuze! Kaitō Shōjo" by Momoiro Clover incorporates intense acrobatics?", but then I changed it because I thought the hook wasn't interesting. I think it would be a good idea to mention Kanako's "shrimp jump", what do you think? Any suggestions? --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月17日 (月) 13:41 (UTC)
- By the way, if it was a farce, is there such thing as "the idol weight"? The Momoiro Clover page on the Universal Music Japan website said that it was usually calculated as (Height - 100) * 0.9. Is it true? --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月17日 (月) 15:37 (UTC)
How about this hook? ... that the dance routine for the song "Ikuze! Kaitō Shōjo" by Momoiro Clover incorporates intense acrobatics such as a handspring, cartwheels, and a shrimp jump that is an upward jump with an arched back and both legs bent backwards. I also found a reliable source.[9]--Anosola(会話) 2012年12月17日 (月) 14:17 (UTC)
- The source is great, thank you very much! This particular hook is too long, but I will think how to shorten it. Maybe simply "incorporates a handspring, cartweels, and a «shrimp jump»". "Shrimp jump" in quotes because there's no such expression in English. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月17日 (月) 15:37 (UTC)
I'm looking forward to seeing it on the top page!--Anosola(会話) 2012年12月17日 (月) 16:57 (UTC)
- You didn't notice my question about "the idol weight" above. Do you know if there is such a thing? Do talent agencies really have regulations concerning the weight of their artists? --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月17日 (月) 18:18 (UTC)
- I haven't heard such a thing except this case. If there exist regulations, they're not announced to ordinary people. --Anosola(会話) 2012年12月18日 (火) 03:52 (UTC)
- Search YouTube for "【公開体重測定でまさかの・・・】 ももいろクローバー". --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月18日 (火) 00:36 (UTC)
- What do you think? Does it look like everything was planned in advance? Do you think that it was planned in advance that Reni would fail the test and they would sign only preliminary agreement? (Actually, they say "仮契約". Is it a temporary contract or a preliminary agreement?) --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月18日 (火) 01:59 (UTC)
仮契約 means a temporary contract in nature, but in this case it seemed to be a farse. I had already seen the movie before. It looks like only the members believed it was for real. Actually, everything had been planned in advance, in my opinion. Please watch a scene from 1:25 again. Two staffs are talking theatrically and the audience including the fans are laughing in spite of the serious result. In addition, Yoshinari Tsuji, the MC of this event, is a famous pro-wrestling announcer. You know, pro-wrestling is often based on farces. Momoclo wasn't famous at that time, so it was a way of getting everybody's attention. Momoclo staffs often conduct such staged events. (However, it may have been inappropriate as it gave misunderstandings.)--Anosola(会話) 2012年12月18日 (火) 03:55 (UTC)
- Reni looks embarrassed from the beginning, but I can't draw any conclusions because I don't know when the members were told about the test. It could be that she was embarrassed simply because they were told how much they had to weight to pass the test and she understood she was going to fail. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月19日 (水) 08:20 (UTC)
- I haven't changed the hook yet because I'm trying to find a good wording. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月19日 (水) 08:20 (UTC)
- I believe the former hook is appropriate. ... that the dance routine for the song "Ikuze! Kaitō Shōjo" by Momoiro Clover incorporates a handspring, cartweels, and a «shrimp jump» which is an upward jump with an arched back and both legs bent backwards. There's also a reliable source. The issue of weight check is going to arouse antipathy especially among US people ,who have harsh looks at excessive dieting. That means a negative campaign against Momoclo...--Anosola(会話) 2012年12月20日 (木) 23:26 (UTC)
DYK nomination for Akari Hayami
Could you look at this nomination again: Template:Did you know nominations/Akari Hayami? Please read the discussion. The hook was changed to "... that after Akari Hayami left Momoiro Clover (pictured), the girl group changed its name to Momoiro Clover Z?" (The new version is marked "ALT2"). Does it sound right to you? I agreed to change my hook to this one, but now I think my original version sounded more encyclopedic. By the way, you can participate in the discussion if you have any suggestions or corrections. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月19日 (水) 06:57 (UTC)
ALT2 sounds almost right to me, what is more, easy to understand for everybody. If there's room for improvement, "...that when Akari Hayami left Momoiro Clover (pictured), the girl group sudddenly changed its name to Momoiro Clover Z?" is more impressive. --Anosola(会話) 2012年12月20日 (木) 23:10 (UTC)
- It wasn't suddenly. (I think.) --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月28日 (金) 01:36 (UTC)
- I created a section about DYK on the Momoiro Clover Z talk page. Please don't delete it, it's only for announcements. I think there are other people (except you) who will be happy to know that Momoiro Clover Z articles are on the main page in the English Wikipedia. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月28日 (金) 01:36 (UTC)
- OK. I'll just add the Japanese summary to the section. By the way, changing the name hadn't been announced for fans and even members beforehand. Doesn't it mean "suddenly"? --Anosola(会話) 2012年12月28日 (金) 02:30 (UTC)
- Thank you for the summary! I didn't know that the members didn't know. Still, the word "suddenly" doesn't sound right in this sentence. "The group" means "Momoiro Clover members", and they didn't "suddenly change" the name themselves. The name change was "announced suddenly". I think the hook is okay as it is now, I wouldn't want to make it more complicated. Do you have any source for that the members didn't know? Whose decision was it to rename the group? It would help to rewrite the article about Momoiro Clover Z, to make it more correct and more detailed. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月28日 (金) 04:57 (UTC)
- The sources are here.[10][11]. Jyunnosuke Miyamoto, who is a chief director of King Records, decided the name.[12]--Anosola(会話) 2012年12月28日 (金) 05:22 (UTC)
- Thank you very much! I will use the sources to rewrite the Momoiro Clover Z article in the English Wikipedia later (the main one, about the group). I am planning to expand the Momoiro Clover Z article and to nominate it for DYK too. But not now, in a couple of weeks or a month. To be eligible for DYK, an article must be expanded fivefold in five days. That's why I haven't touched it yet. First, I need to write a good long article elsewhere (offline), then I can just paste it into Wikipedia. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月28日 (金) 05:33 (UTC)
- The sources are here.[10][11]. Jyunnosuke Miyamoto, who is a chief director of King Records, decided the name.[12]--Anosola(会話) 2012年12月28日 (金) 05:22 (UTC)
- Thank you for the summary! I didn't know that the members didn't know. Still, the word "suddenly" doesn't sound right in this sentence. "The group" means "Momoiro Clover members", and they didn't "suddenly change" the name themselves. The name change was "announced suddenly". I think the hook is okay as it is now, I wouldn't want to make it more complicated. Do you have any source for that the members didn't know? Whose decision was it to rename the group? It would help to rewrite the article about Momoiro Clover Z, to make it more correct and more detailed. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2012年12月28日 (金) 04:57 (UTC)
- OK. I'll just add the Japanese summary to the section. By the way, changing the name hadn't been announced for fans and even members beforehand. Doesn't it mean "suddenly"? --Anosola(会話) 2012年12月28日 (金) 02:30 (UTC)
正しいタイトル
Hi! Could you please look at this and this. I took the titles from official sites. In the first case, there's no space. In the second case, both the official site and HMV and Amazon use "’". By the way, the editor violated the 3RR rule, but I don't want to report him. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月12日 (火) 13:39 (UTC)
- You have to use ' instead of ’(Wikipedia:表記ガイド#使用可能な文字).--Anosola(会話) 2013年3月12日 (火) 14:41 (UTC)
I've found this: Wikipedia:表記ガイド#著作物名: 『タイトルに「!」「?」を含み、あとに文が続く場合は半角スペースで間を空けます。(検討中)』, but it says "under consideration". I personally think that the space should be removed. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月12日 (火) 14:05 (UTC)
- It's a formal system of Japanese writing to add a space after ! or ?. But even most native Japanese don't know this rule... But you can find this system of writing if you read a magagine and things like that. Anyway, I appreciate your making a new page. If you have time, it would be nice if you could create other DVD(Blu-ray) pages, too. --Anosola(会話) 2013年3月12日 (火) 14:41 (UTC)
- I was planning to create only two more. (Cause I didn't want to create many awful stubs without any non-trivial info.) But okay, since I see that other editors notice and help, I will do it. I will create stubs for all the other DVDs too. I will need to do it fast before I change my mind, though. :) I will do it today and tomorrow. Please check new additions periodically. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月12日 (火) 15:28 (UTC)
- By the way, "Ø"はラテンの文字です。ゼロではありません。Anyway, read the article "Slashed zero" and decide. Maybe we can also wait until the track list appears in print on the Momoiro Clover Z official site. Since for me "Ø" is a latin letter, it looked confusing to me. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月12日 (火) 15:28 (UTC)
- Look at this special site (official) and click the i button at the bottom. Seems like "Ø" is used. --Anosola(会話) 2013年3月12日 (火) 15:48 (UTC)
- I've seen it before. I originally (when creating "5TH DIMENSION") checked all the titles there. But then i saw the Natalie article and... Okay, now I've thought about it and I agree. Go to "5TH DIMENSION", change the zero to the letter "Ø" and write in beautiful Japanese that the letter represents a slashed zero. :) --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月12日 (火) 17:05 (UTC)
- By the way, I would still prefer to delete the space after "!". There are many titles like this, without spaces. For example, Go!Go!Here We Go!ロック・リー/大人はわかってくれない. Many experienced editors saw it, no one changed it. In my example, if we add spaces after "!", we should also add spaces before and after "/". I think changing titles like this will affect the Wikipedia search. Therefore, I still think that it is not correct to add 1 space in 1 random title. We should either change it back or add spaces to all other titles in Wikipedia. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月12日 (火) 17:05 (UTC)
- How about other articles (except idols)? I'm unfamiliar with the matter...--Anosola(会話) 2013年3月13日 (水) 02:30 (UTC)
- I don't know about other articles, I will have to search Wikipedia. But the most notable entertainment example is ハロー!プロジェクト - no space. And the problem is that when I search for a text string anywhere, the fullwidth "!" is treated as "!". If you add a space, you won't find the song title in a document. An additional space may also affect placement in Google Search (not sure). --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月14日 (木) 03:34 (UTC)
- How about other articles (except idols)? I'm unfamiliar with the matter...--Anosola(会話) 2013年3月13日 (水) 02:30 (UTC)
- By the way, I would still prefer to delete the space after "!". There are many titles like this, without spaces. For example, Go!Go!Here We Go!ロック・リー/大人はわかってくれない. Many experienced editors saw it, no one changed it. In my example, if we add spaces after "!", we should also add spaces before and after "/". I think changing titles like this will affect the Wikipedia search. Therefore, I still think that it is not correct to add 1 space in 1 random title. We should either change it back or add spaces to all other titles in Wikipedia. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月12日 (火) 17:05 (UTC)
- By the way, in "5TH DIMENSION" I wrote that the title is pronounced "フィフス・ディメンション" (sourced from Natalie), but the correct English pronunciation is "フィフス・ダイメンション". Should we add another pronunciation too? I am not sure Natalie is a reliable source in this case. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月12日 (火) 17:05 (UTC)
- According to a dictionary, both pronounciations are correct in English.--Anosola(会話) 2013年3月13日 (水) 02:30 (UTC)
- I agree, but this pronunciation is rare. According to my Collins dictionary, it is "ダイメンション" only. Actually, I've researched a little and it seems that the most common actual American colloquial pronunciation is "ダメンション", but it is not listed in dictionaries. And in a similar situation, the Collins dictionary says "ディレクション" (as in "ワン・ダイレクション"). --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月14日 (木) 03:34 (UTC)
- According to a dictionary, both pronounciations are correct in English.--Anosola(会話) 2013年3月13日 (水) 02:30 (UTC)
- By the way, in "5TH DIMENSION" I wrote that the title is pronounced "フィフス・ディメンション" (sourced from Natalie), but the correct English pronunciation is "フィフス・ダイメンション". Should we add another pronunciation too? I am not sure Natalie is a reliable source in this case. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月12日 (火) 17:05 (UTC)
You shouldn't delete info about tracks that are not songs and about bonus discs. The tracks are listed on the official website and Amazon and HMV, and therefore they are important. Anyway, I hope other editors will take care of it before I am back. :) (If you have the DVDs, you can change the track numbers and the titles to be the same as on the DVDs, but please don't delete. If there is something (a talk, an instrumental) in between songs and it is listed as a track, it should be listed in Wikipedia too. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月13日 (水) 02:16 (UTC)
- Okay, I got it. Thank you for pointing that out.--Anosola(会話) 2013年3月13日 (水) 02:35 (UTC)
- But I think the tracks that are not songs should'nt be numbered. In that way, we can easily know how many songs were sung at the concert.--Anosola(会話) 2013年3月13日 (水) 02:50 (UTC)
- I'm not sure. I think they should be treated like CD tracks. Also, it will require using HTML to make a list in which some tracks in the middle don't have numbers. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月14日 (木) 03:34 (UTC)
- Here's a source for the latest Otoko Matsuri and Onna Matsuri: HMV. It's the same on Amazon. I think we should list it like that until the track list appears on the official website. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月14日 (木) 03:34 (UTC)
- Do you have any Momoclo DVD/Blu-ray? The actual tracks are different from the lists above. They include more MC tracks between the songs. Anyway, in my opinion, it would be better to leave all MC sections out and simplify the lists on Wikipedia.
Look at 5th Dimension (album), please. I applied all my logical abilities to get the romaji and the translations right. I have no idea about the ball story, but I used all my common sense. (Sorry, "Girl War" again. But in my opinion, the expression "Maidens' War" implies a war against men. Also, "maiden" is an obsolete word for unmarried girl, it doesn't look right in this context.) --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月14日 (木) 10:26 (UTC)
- Okay, I'll check them soon.--Anosola(会話) 2013年3月15日 (金) 14:32 (UTC)
- As for 5th Dimention, we needn't add "ダイメンション" because the members and staffs always say "ディメンション". We should follow what they say. (Also, There are both pronounciations on Longman, which is one of the most famous dictionaries.)--Anosola(会話) 本日 12:44 am (UTC+9)
- OK. I'll remove "Daimenshon" it now. As for "BIRTH 0 BIRTH", there are more news articles now, and they all use either "0" or "O". I think we should it change it to "0". --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月15日 (金) 19:52 (UTC)
- I've found one "BIRTH Ø BIRTH" too: [13]. But I don't like how round the letter looks in the font used in the Japanese Wikipedia, so i would still prefer to use "0"... --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月17日 (日) 12:19 (UTC)
- By the way, I've redirected the song "Neo STARGATE" to the album. I'm a bit confused if the song should be listed as a digital single or not. The official site of Momoclo calls it simply a song, but it's listed as a single on iTunes and Recochoku. As soon as it charts on Billboard (which it will do on Wednesday), I will create a separate article for it. (I wanted to create it already, but I searched for reviews or descriptions of the song and couldn't find any. So I guess it's to early for a separate article now.) --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月17日 (日) 12:19 (UTC)
- The way of reading was announced in the concert. It's "birth O birth" and "O" is pronounced "oh". So i think using 0 is improper. --Anosola(会話) 2013年3月17日 (日) 14:10 (UTC)
- "Zero" is read like "オウ /oʊ/" in English numbers, so it's not contradictory at all. While the letter "Ø" is pronounced like 円唇前舌半狭母音 or 円唇前舌半広母音, which is somewhere between "ヨ" and "ユ". By the way, should we maybe indicate the pronunciation somehow too? Is it "バース オー バース"? I'll add it to the English article in the meanwhile. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月17日 (日) 14:28 (UTC)
- But it doesn't matter. What I meant before is that we will change it when the title appears in copy-pastable text on the Momoclo website. And now when you said it, I've found "BIRTH O BIRTH" (with the letter "O") here: [14], [15]. There's even "BIRTH φ BIRTH" here on Neowing: [16]. There seems to be a lot of confusion. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月17日 (日) 14:53 (UTC)
- Let's wait until the album is on sale and check the booklet in it. The pronunciation is "バース オー バース"--Anosola(会話) 2013年3月17日 (日) 15:04 (UTC)
- The booklet won't be copy-pastable, so it will be of no use. By the way, i've found a way to write the slashed zero. But I'm afraid that most people won't see it correctly in their Internet browsers. Here: 1) 0̸ 2) 0̸. Writing it like that works in the English Wikipedia, but not here. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月17日 (日) 15:35 (UTC)
- By the way, the English article "Slashed zero" explains that in different operating systems and fonts the slashed zero may look like the Scandinavian letter Ø or like the Greek letter Θ. In my opinion, it doesn't matter how it looks on 5thdimension.jp or in the booklet. We can't copy-paste it from there, so we don't know what letter that is. It's only important what they meant, and they meant "zero". We have a reliable sourse that explains everything about the letter (Natalie). So I do think that the correct way to write it is "0". --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月17日 (日) 17:44 (UTC)
- I guess if the music video for "BIRTH 0 BIRTH" is a sequel to "Neo STARGATE", it will be uploaded to YouTube or mentioned on the official site soon (in plain text). --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月17日 (日) 17:49 (UTC)
- Okay, I've found it: [17], [18]. They used "Ø", you win for now. :) (But here, they wrote "BIRTH ? BIRTH": [19].) --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月17日 (日) 18:00 (UTC)
- By the way, it's interesting how the letter looks small on the official websites. But when I copy-paste the title, it happens to be a capital letter. You can never trust what you see, the letter looks different in different fonts. Anyway, the case is closed. I copy-pasted the title, it's "Ø". You were right. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月17日 (日) 19:31 (UTC)
Hi! About this: [20]. The title track is from "5TH DIMENSION", therefore the single is from that album. All interwiki links are being moved to Wikidata.org, they are being deleted from articles by bots. (The ones that are not on Wikidata, are not being moved. The bot checked everything: [21], the links were there.) --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月20日 (水) 16:25 (UTC)
- Okay, I got it. Thanks for informing me.--Anosola(会話) 2013年3月22日 (金) 03:58 (UTC)
DYK 2013
Someone has just added a bit of text to the article "Momoiro Clover Z" in the English Wikipedia. Not much text, but enough to make a 5-fold expansion (to qualify for DYK) of the article difficult. That's decided then, I'm expanding it now. Please think of a good hook! --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月24日 (日) 23:08 (UTC)
By the way, if you have time, could you suggest good hooks for other Momoiro Clover Z singles? Namely, for: "Momoiro Punch" (I have a draft of the article already, I wrote it back in January, but didn't finish), "Mirai e Susume!", "Pinky Jones", "Mirai Bowl / Chai Maxx", "Rōdō Sanka". And for Kanako (I may have enough material to expand her article now). I hope it's no bother. I have time to write the articles very fast now, but I'm not doing it cause I don't have good hooks. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月24日 (日) 23:08 (UTC)
I've started the expansion of the article Momoiro Clover Z. You are welcomed to do whatever changes you wish too. I will be expanding it rather chaotically, the main purpose is to make it 5 times longer in 4 days (without tables, just the prose) and to find a good DYK hook. The hook should be very interesting and crazy. You know, like yellow press headlines. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月25日 (月) 01:08 (UTC)
I've found one idea for a hook. Something like: "Did you know that a girl from Momoiro Clover did not speak for 2 months?". Anyway, that might give you some idea.. That's why I decided to tell you now. We still have 2 days to think. I'm thinking about costumes they wore, what they did in their videos, what happened to them in their songs, if there were some unusual or funny incidents or something. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月27日 (水) 03:15 (UTC)
Another thing I've been thinking about is something about "Weekend Heroines" in the hook (cause it sounds nice). --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月27日 (水) 03:46 (UTC)
There's a good English-language article about Momoclo in case you haven't seen it: [22]. And it actually says "parody"! (In the last paragraph.) --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月27日 (水) 13:35 (UTC)
- I appreciate your help for Overview section. I thought the hooks somehow. :)
- "Did you know that an album of Momoiro Clover Z was recognized as the best CD of the year in Japan?"
- "Did you know that Momoiro Cover Z has some secrets to put the audience into a high state of excitement?"
- "Did you know that Momoiro Clover's ascent to stardom began from the sidewalk of a park?"
Thank you for your corrections, they all seem perfect. I will concentrate on finding sources now. I didn't expect it would be that hard. I must just sit and do it now. Then we'll have an article ready for DYK. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月28日 (木) 16:48 (UTC)
Note: I might have to delete or comment out parts of the overview section (temporarily) because I can't find sources for some parts. For the article to qualify for DYK, every paragraph must have at least one source. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月28日 (木) 16:59 (UTC)
I've just noticed you removed the story about the girls being weighed. My point is that it's a funny interesting story. It was discussed in reliable sources, therefore it has the right to be in Wikipedia. Why don't you like it? Wearing wedding dresses during a contract signing ceremiony is no less stupid. These stories make the article much more interesting to read. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月28日 (木) 17:45 (UTC)
I'm putting the parts you removed from the article back now, cause its current length is unsufficient for DYK. We'll discuss it later, in a few days, OK? I have no other choice. There's a tool named DYKcheck, it says the article was expanded 5-fold since March 4, not since March 24... --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月29日 (金) 22:04 (UTC)
It worked now, DYKcheck says the article was expanded 5 times since March 24. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月29日 (金) 22:15 (UTC)
Here: "Template:Did you know nominations/Momoiro Clover Z". Please don't delete anything, only expand. If you find a better hook, we can still change it. I'm going to think about a funny fact and a funny caption for the photo too. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年3月29日 (金) 23:37 (UTC)
- Just for your information, Fans Forum site may help you. --Anosola(会話) 2013年3月30日 (土) 07:40 (UTC)
- Now I need a hook for Team Syachihoko. (Surely the best thing is to ask on the forum, but I will have to explain them everything...) --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月3日 (水) 09:13 (UTC)
Read this article. [23] It sounds interesting and can be a source for the hook.
By the way, if you still retain the weighing story, would you cut it down to just one or two sentences? Of course, it's a good idea to rewrite the story jokingly. But there are much more funny stories that never arouse misunderstandings. --Anosola(会話) 2013年4月5日 (金) 14:43 (UTC)
- Okay, let's cut it down a bit. By the way, I understood that the main Momoclo article has to sound neutral anyway. So it's better to cut it down than to rewrite jokingly.
By the way, I've been thinking (for a long time) about asking someone in the English Wikipedia about the title of "Otome Senso". Someone who writes professionally... I'm starting to like the word "maiden" more and more, but I'm not sure if it sounds right. So let's compromise (for now, until we ask someone). Let's write "Maidens' War". Cause I'm still opposed of using the letter Z.
I will read the article, thank you! --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月6日 (土) 02:28 (UTC) - You can change it to "Maidens' War" in all the 3 articles if you want. I'm not doing it now myself cause you may not like it. If you say you agree, I will do it immediately. But about them being weighed, I'm only okay with cutting down the part in the main article, not in "Ikuze! Kaito Shojo". --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月6日 (土) 17:51 (UTC)
I got it. I'd like to edit the articles you admitted. As for 乙女戦争, my opinion is using "Z", which faithfully reflects the Japanese title. So I don't mind which to use "maiden" or "girl" :D --Anosola(会話) 2013年4月7日 (日) 01:18 (UTC)
- There are many other ways to write it, like "Zaidens' War", "Zirl's War", "Z Girls' War", "Girls Z's War", "Girl's War Z", etc. :D Since there is no official or widely accepted way to translate it, the only option is to try and convey the meaning, and the meaning is... That they are girls? :D --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月7日 (日) 03:59 (UTC)
I'm afraid your examples above don't make sense... "Girl" is "乙女" in correct Japanese but "乙" is intentionally changed to "Z", as you know. So I think either "Girl'Z War" or "GirlZ' War" is the best translation. (It's difficult to explain. Are you following me?)--Anosola(会話) 2013年4月7日 (日) 14:10 (UTC)
- I know (a proof). What I mean is that the letter "Z" is part of the word "girl". It's not "Otome-tachi" with the "tachi" part changed into "Z". So wherever you put the letter "Z", it makes the same amount of sense as your version (and even more). By the way, I took a look at the word's etymology and it looks like "girl" is correct. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月7日 (日) 16:03 (UTC)
I understand what you mean. In my opinion, "Z女" and "girl'Z" include similar conversion methods while your examples don't.--Anosola(会話) 2013年4月10日 (水) 13:22 (UTC)
- Read Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Album article style guide#Formatting. Songs and singles in "quotation marks", albums and DVDs in italics. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月7日 (日) 16:41 (UTC)
- Read MOS:TM: No strange symbols. Read MOS:ALLCAPS: No all capitals. If it is not an abbreviation or not read "S.T.A.R.G.A.T.E", it's written "Stargate". --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月7日 (日) 16:49 (UTC)
I'm sorry to put you to the trouble and grateful you corrected them.--Anosola(会話) 2013年4月10日 (水) 13:22 (UTC)
- Template:Did you know nominations/Team Syachihoko. I can always add an alternative for the hook, though. I can even list several hooks to choose from, actually. So, if you have one, tell me. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月8日 (月) 23:00 (UTC)
- Other than what I mentioned earlier, I also added the pronunciations back. They are recommended. I don't think there is a Wikipedia guideline for that, but this is how it's done in the case when there are English words in Japanese titles. "Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Japan-related articles" doesn't seem to mention it, though. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月9日 (火) 15:07 (UTC)
Actually the pronunciations are useful, but the current article seems to be in a mess. If we cut them down, it becomes easier to be read. I think it's important to find a balance. --Anosola(会話) 2013年4月10日 (水) 13:22 (UTC)
- I know. I agree that pronunciation guides often look scary, especially in the lead of an encyclopedia article. If you think they make the tables hard to read, you can delete them again. I am currently working on the 5 remaining singles anyway. Each article will have a pronunciation guide in the lead. Anyone who cares enough to click on a single will see it. (I will try to create the articles very, very fast. I will finish the drafts in a couple of days, then I will post them to Wikipedia, then I will have 5 days to expand them and to come up with DYK hooks for all of them.) --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月10日 (水) 14:04 (UTC)
- Look at other discographies in the English Wikipedia, album tables look like that. I would understand if there were 10, but there are only two. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月10日 (水) 14:10 (UTC)
- Would you mind if I moved the whole Momoiro Clover discography to a new page called "Momoiro Clover Z discography"? (I'm talking about the English Wikipedia). I'm not sure if it's a good idea but it would make the article shorter and easier to read. The main Momoiro Clover Z article would look like this: en:Cute (Japanese band)#Discography. Or, more preferably, like this: en:Berryz Kobo#Discography, where I made a more concise version of the tables for the main article. Further delails are available on the discography page. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月11日 (木) 04:17 (UTC)
I agree your proposal. I recommend the style like en:Berryz Kobo#Discography, which includes release dates and chart positions. --Anosola(会話) 2013年4月11日 (木) 13:58 (UTC)
- Thank you. I will do it today. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月11日 (木) 14:23 (UTC)
- I split it: Momoiro_Clover_Z#Discography. It's not perfect. You can correct it. What I'm thinking about now is that we can also leave "行くぜっ!怪盗少女 ~Special Edition~" and "ニッポン笑顔百景" out of that little table. Since that is a concise version of the discography, those 2 releases are probably not important. A re-release by Momoclo's former label has nothing to do with the group. And 桃黒亭一門 is a release under a different name. I will probably comment the two releases out now. But if you think it doesn't look right, I will add them back. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月12日 (金) 02:40 (UTC)
- Which table do you like most? 1, 2, 3. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月12日 (金) 03:54 (UTC)
- Something should be done with the taglines/slogans. They shouldn't be removed, but the member table looks too wide and untidy with them in. Also, the slogans should be sourced. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月12日 (金) 08:22 (UTC)
I edited a bit. The members list should be a table format. The current version is really hard to read. --Anosola(会話) 2013年4月12日 (金) 15:18 (UTC)
- I agree that the list should be in a table format. Why did you revert yourself?
By the way, Japanglish (contributions) is obviously a "sock puppet" (see "Wikipedia:多重アカウント"), so whatever he said should not be treated seriously. Read "Template:Did you know nominations/Momoiro Clover Z", he pretended to be Japanese and new to Wikipedia. He also insulted the group several times. (I don't think you should participate cause you may not understand the rules well enough. But look, you may notice something I didn't.)
I reverted everything what was left of what Japanglish added to the lead. What you left there was technically correct, but a bit unclear, not very relevant and very hard to source (therefore it could endanger the DYK nomination). I didn't revert the member table because you changed it back and I don't want to revert you. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月14日 (日) 17:01 (UTC)
I didn't know that he is a sock puppet. How did you know that? Anyway, his English is so perfect that he doesn't seem to be a Japanese.--Anosola(会話) 2013年4月15日 (月) 14:10 (UTC)
- I have reverted back to the table, but deleted the slogans/taglines. Could you point me to any good sources for the slogans? By the way, to be honest, the slogans don't fit in the table at all. We would probably have to choose between the slogans and the table. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月14日 (日) 21:39 (UTC)
So why don't we write the slogans in each member's pages?--Anosola(会話) 2013年4月15日 (月) 14:10 (UTC)
- I deleted the part about who decided the name change from the English Wikipedia article. Cause I decided to finally source it properly, and out of the 3 sources you mentioned in your reply the only reliable source is the interview, and it doesn't mention the King Records chairman and says that Akarin knew before the other members and that the stuff had the final vote whether to rename. I would be nice if you added the story yourself. But you would need a reliable source to support it cause this tweet is not a reliable source (who is this "iam1101"?), it can't be used on Wikipedia, and the video has been deleted from YouTube. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月15日 (月) 10:40 (UTC)
OK, I got it. By the way, "iam1101" is Kawakami-san's official account! As he tweets as a private person, he always adds "誤送信" at the end of a sentence.
- I think the slogans should be on the main Momoclo page cause they are related to their positions in the group. If they are carefully referenced, they will be an essential part of the main article. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月16日 (火) 09:26 (UTC)
- I just looked at his contributions and they were suspicious. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月16日 (火) 09:29 (UTC)
Does the sources below work?
- 「5号連続特集 ももいろクローバーZ パーソナルインタビュー 第1回 百田夏菜子」『Quick Japan』Vol.96、太田出版、2011年6月20日。
- 「5号連続特集 ももいろクローバーZ パーソナルインタビュー 第2回 玉井詩織」『Quick Japan』Vol.97、太田出版、2011年8月22日。
- 「5号連続特集 ももいろクローバーZ パーソナルインタビュー 第3回 佐々木彩夏」『Quick Japan』Vol.98、太田出版、2011年10月17日。
- 「5号連続特集 ももいろクローバーZ パーソナルインタビュー 第4回 有安杏果」『Quick Japan』Vol.99、太田出版、2011年12月10日。
- 「5号連続特集 ももいろクローバーZ パーソナルインタビュー 第4回 有安杏果」『Quick Japan』Vol.99、太田出版、2011年12月10日。
These are known as bibles of each member. Their personalities are mentioned in detail. --Anosola(会話) 2013年4月17日 (水) 12:42 (UTC)
- I don't have them, so I don't know. They will probably be okay for referencing a section about their personalities on each individual member page. But for the main article we would need sources for the exact short slogans that were in the table. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月17日 (水) 14:25 (UTC)
The slogans (e.g. "The idol of Momoclo") are written in 「100ページ全力特集 ももいろクローバー」『Quick Japan』Vol.95、太田出版、2011年4月9日。 , but not English. And the explanations (e.g. "She behaves like a typical Japanese idol.") are mentioned the books I introduced yesterday, but not connected with the slogans. Will they OK for the sources? --Anosola(会話) 2013年4月18日 (木) 15:07 (UTC)
- Perfectly OK. But since I don't have the sources, it would be better if you added the references to Quick Japan yourself. What shall we do with the tables? The slogans are clearly too long to fit in a small table like that. Shall we sacrifice the table and just use a bulleted list? (I will reply only next week cause I need to concentrate on something else.) --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月18日 (木) 20:15 (UTC)
- 1. "Teenage girls" sounded better. "Teenage" is a very good word, it makes everything sound better, it is very advisable to use it. 2. You can change «"Momoiro Clover Z"» to «the name of the group [is also abbreviated]». --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月18日 (木) 20:31 (UTC)
I'll manage to reform the table. Anyway, thanks for your pointing out. --Anosola(会話) 2013年4月19日 (金) 13:40 (UTC)
- Let's think about it later. I asked a native English speaker and an experienced Wikipedia editor, he copyedited it, and the article currently looks good and sounds good when I read it. Let's not touch it until the DYK nomination is approved. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月25日 (木) 09:53 (UTC)
- By the way, a person here at Template:Did you know nominations/Team Syachihoko says that you can't say "sister" about a group. But you can, since the sources say "younger sister"... What should I do? Should I try to convince him or should I invent a new hook cause the current one is not interesting anyway? --2013年4月25日 (木) 09:53 (UTC)
According to the collocation dictionary, there does't exist the expression "sister group"... Also, most people won't understand the hook unless they know Momoclo. --Anosola(会話) 2013年4月26日 (金) 14:10 (UTC)
- There are some problems on the nomination page again. Nothing much, though, everything is okay. But I will have to retouch the article a bit more. And I will add the part about how they were weighed. Read the nomination page. People asked to add it back, and I actually agree with them. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月25日 (木) 10:58 (UTC)
I doubt if the people can be anti-Momoclo. The weighing story is a material that would favor such people. So I cannot agree to add it back. I'd appreciate your understanding. --Anosola(会話) 2013年4月26日 (金) 14:10 (UTC)
- Does the group now practically have two managers, Akira Kawakami and Junnosuke Miyamoto? They are not even mentioned in the article. I think we should add a paragraph or even a small section about how the group is managed. Who is responsible for which decisions, etc. Also, Momoclo has a choreographer, she should be mentioned too. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月25日 (木) 18:37 (UTC)
Junnosuke Miyamoto is a chief directer of King Records, not a manager. He has the right to make the final decision about the releases. There're two managers, Akira Kawakami and Tomomi Furuya (nick name: Tomomin). Tomomin is famous among the fans but needn't be mentioned in the article. That's because she is just an odd-job woman though her personality is funny. The choreographer is Yumi Ishikawa, who has composed all dances of Momoclo. --Anosola(会話) 2013年4月26日 (金) 14:10 (UTC)
- Could you add a bit to the story about the announcement of the name change? Who announced it, how Akarin learned about it, how other members learned. Were they on stage? Cause I had to make this edit. It is better like that than "the group announced", but it is not 100% correct. I don't know a complete story to explain exactly what happened in the article. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月25日 (木) 18:37 (UTC)
I'll reply to you later.--Anosola(会話) 2013年4月26日 (金) 14:10 (UTC)
- I was asked who was the one who announced the name change: [24]. It is always better to avoid the passive tense. But to do so, we will have to tell the complete story, including about the letter Z that was hidden with scotch tape and how Akarin voted. I can't do it myself cause I don't understand all the details. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月26日 (金) 15:32 (UTC)
The name change was announced in a short movie at the end of the concert. We cannot specify the person who announced it because a common narrator said that in the movie. Akarin knew the name change at the same time. This documentary is recorded in the DVD of Nakano Sunplaza. You should buy it! [25]
By the way, I'd like to get a reply to my opinion mentioned above (about the weighing story).--Anosola(会話) 2013年4月27日 (土) 16:17 (UTC)
- I didn't notice, sorry. You replied above my reply, so I didn't notice. I honestly think the story is funny and interesting. And it also gives people something to actually read in the article.
Let's discuss it after the article appears on the front page. We can start a new section about it on Talk:Momoiro Clover Z. But not now, please not now. The DYK nomination has just been approved. Please don't touch anything now. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月27日 (土) 16:32 (UTC)
I'm afraid It's too late after the article appears on the front page. The story is certainly funny and interesting. But the most important viewpoint is to let the readers know the attractiveness of Momoclo. Why are you obsessive about the weighing story? Don't you think there're a lot of funny and interesting stories about Momoclo? Is there any problem if we replace it? --Anosola(会話) 2013年4月28日 (日) 15:09 (UTC)
- 1. It won't be too late. And I really think that your judgement is not correct in this case. It is a good story. 2. We can add something new later, yes. And we will discuss whether to remove the weighing story. But certainly it is not recommended now. We can't start a war now. 3. The hook is very nice, by the way, so I wouldn't call Japanglish (the person who came up with the hook) "anti-Momoclo". --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月28日 (日) 15:35 (UTC)
I'm still trying to find a good hook for Team Syachihoko, by the way. The article you found says 「大黒柚姫&安藤ゆずがツアー中に控え室でお菓子を食べなかったら1冠」, but it doesn't say whether the challenge was won, does it? There was another interesting story, a calorimeter battle against Checky Parade (source). But I can't come up with anything. -Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年4月28日 (日) 15:46 (UTC)
Here's one more nomination: "Template:Did you know nominations/Rōdō Sanka". --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年5月10日 (金) 22:54 (UTC)
Do you know what songs they are performing on any of these photos in Wikipedia Commons: [26]? I need more pictures for my future DYK nominations. But a hook won't be placed on the top unless it has a photo. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年5月10日 (金) 22:54 (UTC)
Maybe... MCZ Japan Expo 1: CONTRADICTION MCZ Japan Expo 11: Pinky Jones MCZ Japan Expo 12: D'の純情 MCZ Japan Expo 13: Pinky Jones Momoiro Clover MASK: Pinky Jones
I can't identify the songs as for other pictures.--Anosola(会話) 2013年5月12日 (日) 02:21 (UTC)
「労働讃歌」 should be on the main page of the English Wikipedia in 10 minutes or so. http://en-two.iwiki.icu. --Moscowconnection(会話) 2013年5月22日 (水) 16:51 (UTC)
作成されたももいろクローバーZ関連記事について
初めまして、ディークエステンと申す者です。Anosolaさんが作成されたももいろクローバーZ関連記事をご覧になりましたが、以下のような問題点がありました。
- 提示されるオンライン出典の情報が不十分です+出典書式のご案内
- オンラインの出典を提示する際に以下のように提示していますが、記事名リンクにハイフンを挟んで配信元を書いているだけで、配信日が記入されておらずこれでは不十分です。
[URL 記事名] - 出典元
- 最低限ウェブサイトを出典とする場合#名無しリンクを避ける(WP:WEBREF)にあるように、以下の情報が求められています。
- どのような記事名なのか(title)
- どこから配信されているのか(publisher|work|newspaper|website)
- 存在する場合、出典元がいつ記事を作成したのか、いつ更新されたのか、いつの時点での情報なのか(date/Citenewsでは必須)
- 僕は余裕があればそのような記述を見つけ次第補強を行っています。これをやる人はあまりいないため、そのような編集をしなければならなくなった方への負担を減らすためにも、オンライン出典ではURL・記事名・配信元・発信日・覚えていれば記事を閲覧した日の記入もありますのでそれらも忘れずにお願いします。この出典補強に余裕があれば自身の新たな記述方針開拓のためにもご協力ください。
- このようなお知らせをしたのも、Anosolaさんが作成されたももいろクローバーZ 10th Anniversary The Diamond Four -in 桃響導夢-、ももいろ歌合戦において、ある表記ガイド違反が無いか確認したところ、上記出典書式を見かけたので日本語の出典のみ補強させていただきました。他の記事でもAnosolaさんによる上記出典書式を確認しましたが、これらはこちらの手におえなくなったため、可能であればAnosolaさん自身で順次行っていただければと思います。
- 合わせて出典の提示用のテンプレートが存在することをご案内します。Wikipedia:出典テンプレートでは、出典を提示する際に使用するテンプレートが必須項目や使用方法を含めて記載されています。オンライン出典ではCite web、Cite newsを使用するなど、テンプレートには用度に合わせたテンプレートがあります。テンプレートを用いる場合、使用しない項目は削っていただくようお願いします。以下Cite web、Cite newsの基本項目を入れたテンプレートです。
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- テンプレートの使い方が分からないまたは使いたくない場合、主に使われているテンプレート未使用書式に配信日・更新日を分かりやすく付け加えた
[URL 記事名] 出典元 YYYY年MM月DD日配信 [URL 記事名] 出典元 YYYY年MM月DD日更新 [URL 記事名] 出典元 YYYY年MM月DD日配信 YYYY年MM月DD日閲覧 [URL 記事名] 出典元 YYYY年MM月DD日更新 YYYY年MM月DD日閲覧
- があります。なお、出典書式は人それぞれの出典書式方法がありますので、人に分かりやすい・自分がこれでいいと思う書式を試行錯誤して探してみてはいかがでしょうか?
- 以上、上記出典提示時の問題点の改善を出来るものから順次お願いします。
- 出典節を置きながらの無出典・無注釈立頁について
- 作成されたももいろクリスマス2017 〜完全無欠のElectric Wonderland〜など一部記事において、出典節を置きながら無出典および無注釈で作成されています。
- 記事を作成および加筆する際に、検証可能性をクリアできる出典があったり残っていればそれを探してこれを提示して、この記述が事実であることを確実にし、記述の信頼性を高めることが求められています。出典が残っていないものはどうすることもできませんが…。また、記述に対する注釈も必要に応じて入れるべきです。こうすることで本文の内容を整理することができます。
- 出典・注釈が提示されていないのに記事作成時に脚注節があるだけで「参考文献(出典)に関する節がない記事の作成」と言うタグが生成されないため、新しいページから新規作成記事を探す際に、出典・注釈を添えて作成された記事と思ったら実際は出典も注釈も無い記事だった、と言うことになります。
- 脚注節を置いたのなら最初から検証可能な出典および注釈を提示してこの節に意味を持たせてください。それが出来ないのなら最初から脚注節を置く意味はないと思います。詳しくはWikipedia:出典を明記するをご覧ください。
以上、上記目立った問題点の改善を出来るものから順次お願いします。なお、Wikipedia:ウィキペディアは何ではないか#コミュニティ#ウィキペディアは強制ではありません(WP:NOTREQUIRED)もあり、今すぐ無理に従う必要はありませんが、修正する気が現れて順次表記ガイドなどにある修正されるべき箇所を修正されることで記事の見栄えがよくなる可能性があることをお伝えします。--ディークエステン(会話) 2018年12月20日 (木) 03:59 (UTC)
- ディークエステンさま、はじめまして。この度はご指導いただき、ありがとうございました。オンライン出典の情報につきましては、今後ご教示いただいた方法(配信日を加える形)で追記してまいります。なお、すでに編集済みの部分につきましては、他の編集者の協力も得ながら、順次書き換えを行えればと考えております。また、出典節を置きながらの無出典・無注釈立頁は、今後行わないよう留意いたします。ももいろクリスマス2017 〜完全無欠のElectric Wonderland〜におきましては、急ぎ出典を追加いたします。お手数をおかけして申し訳ございませんでした。--Anosola(会話) 2018年12月24日 (月) 07:36 (UTC)
ももいろ歌合戦について
Don-hideです。こちらの編集ですが、WP:JPE/Bで記載のある、「(日本の番組にかかる)放送と配信の明確化」への抵触を回避するため、修正させていただきました(簡潔に言えば、「日本において、放送免許がないインターネット配信業者は『放送する』ことはできない」に抵触します)。詳細はノート:ももいろ歌合戦をご覧いただき、必要があれば、(議論場所拡散防止の観点もござい増すため)そちらにコメントをお願いいたします。--Don-hide(会話) 2019年1月25日 (金) 14:24 (UTC)
- Don-hideさん、はじめまして。ご丁寧にご説明くださり、ありがとうございました。編集の趣旨につきまして、承知いたしました。--Anosola(会話) 2019年1月26日 (土) 13:04 (UTC)
「ももいろクローバーZ」について
私は、ももいろクローバーZについて2019年6月24日 (月) 14:09にTemplate:Colorを使って、メンバー名のリンクを着色表示している箇所を通常のリンクに変更しました。先日、私が除去したTemplate:Colorを2019年7月11日 (木) 12:02にあなたが再度追加しておられることに気づきました。さらに調べてみたところ、6月に私が除去したTemplate:Colorが2018年2月4日 (日) 15:28にあなたが追加されたものであることが分かりました。
私は、現在のTemplate:Colorの使い方は「使いすぎ」であり、大部分を除去するべきであると考えています。しかし、急いで修正しなければいけないような重大な問題ではありませんし、強引に除去して編集合戦に陥るべきでないとも考えています。
そこで、この記事でのTemplate:Colorの使い方についてあなたとご相談したいと思ってこのメッセージを書いています。
私はWikipediaは基本的に文字ベースのサイトであると考えています。極端なことを言えば強調などを使わなくても文意が通じるようにするべきだと考えています。色についても同様で、この記事でいうとリーダーの百田夏菜子のイメージカラーが赤であることは白黒のディスプレイで見てもわかるように記事を作成しなければいけないと考えていますし、現にそうなっています。現在、百田夏菜子のイメージカラーが赤であることは2ケ所に書かれていて、両方ともTemplate:Colorが使われています。本来はこの2ケ所についてもTemplate:Colorは不要です。(古い版では使われていません。)とはいうものの、この2ケ所については、つけていけないとまでは思いません。しかし、それ以外の箇所については単に文字に色がついているだけで文章としてイメージカラーに言及しいるわけではなく意味のない装飾になっています。加えて、これは百田夏菜子特有の問題として、イメージカラーが赤であるためにいわゆる赤リンクと同様に見えてしまいます。
以上の理由により、私はTemplate:Colorの使用は文章表現でイメージカラーに言及している2ケ所にとどめ、その他は除去するべきであると考えます。例として百田夏菜子を上げましたが、過去のメンバーを含めて他のメンバーについても基本的な考え方は同じです。
いささか長文になりました。私の投稿履歴をご覧いただけばわかるように、私の投稿頻度はさほど高いものではなく、長期間投稿しないこともあります。したがって、急いでお答えいただかなくても差し支えありません。お返事をお待ちしております。--Furoo Onsen(会話) 2019年11月1日 (金) 14:16 (UTC)
- 先日(2019年11月1日)のメッセージについていかがお考えでしょうか。その後、ももいろクローバーZについて編集をしておられるので、すでにお読みのことと思います。コメントを書いておられないのは、私の意見に反対ではないのかなと考えていますがどうでしょうか。あなたが反対でないならイメージカラーについて記述している箇所以外のTemplate:Colorを除去しようと思います。私の理解の通り、反対でないのなら「反対でない」とお書きいただくと編集合戦の心配をすることなく編集できるので助かります。Template:Colorを除去するべきでないとお考えならばその旨お書きいただければ落としどころ(合意点)を探りたいと思います。先日のメッセージに書いたように特に急ぐ話でもないので、もう少しお待ちします。よろしくお願いします。--Furoo Onsen(会話) 2019年11月18日 (月) 09:13 (UTC)
- Furoo Onsenさん、お返事が遅くなり、申し訳ございません。おっしゃるとおり、色が悪目立ちしてしまう部分があったかと思います。「歩み」の節においてはTemplate:Colorの除去をしても良いと感じました。なお着色をした目的としては、メンバーが名前より色のイメージで覚えられることも多いという「ももクロ」ならではの事情を考慮し、直感的なわかりやすさを優先したためです。この目的が叶えられる別の方法があれば、お知恵を貸していただけますと幸いです。--Anosola(会話) 2019年11月18日 (月) 10:10 (UTC)
STARDUST PLANET 単独記事作成について
はじめまして、主にエビ中の記事を編集しているYokoaiiと申します。
STARDUST PLANET(スタプラ)について単独記事の作成を検討しています。作成する前に、ももクロさんの記事を編集されているAnosolaさんのご意見をお聞かせ願えればと考え、投稿させていただきました。
大まかな下書きは利用者:Yokoaii/sandboxになります。よろしくお願いいたします。--Yokoaii(会話) 2020年4月17日 (金) 13:45 (UTC)
- Yokoaiiさん、はじめまして。情報を共有いただき、誠にありがとうございます。年々グループも増えていますし、単独記事の作成はとても良いことだと思います。私も余裕があれば、細部の編集をお手伝いさせていただきますね。コメントとしては以下の2点になります。
- 定義文は、「スターダストプロモーションの女性アーティスト・アイドル部門」くらいにしても良いかもしれません。B.O.L.Tやukkaのように公式サイトで「アイドル」と謳っていないケースがあるためです。ももいろクローバーZも、Wikipediaでの肩書表記については数々の議論があり、「ガールズユニット」としております。
- STARDUST PLANETの前身とも言える旧 3B juniorについても、新設する単独記事の中へ統合をしたほうが良いかもしれません。
ご参考になれば幸いです。--Anosola(会話) 2020年4月18日 (土) 05:29 (UTC)
ご返答ありがとうございます。STARDUST PLANETの単独記事を作成しました。
定義文は「女性アーティスト・アイドル部門」としました。 旧3B juniorについては、統合も視野に加筆するのが良さそうですね。
とても参考になりました。感謝いたします。--Yokoaii(会話) 2020年4月18日 (土) 12:50 (UTC)
ももいろパンチのソースについて
こんにちは。 いつもありがとうございます。 ももいろパンチのソースの、 高城の歌声ではないと分析されている<ref>堀埜浩二『ももクロを聴け!』p.29</ref> には、なんと書いているのでしょうか? 画像を貼るか当該箇所を書いて頂ければ幸いです。 --gratin(会話) 2020年6月24日 (水) 13:36 (UTC)
- gratinさん、こんにちは。とても気になる箇所ですよね。。以下、引用します。
続く「想いは想いは駆け巡り」は、実は旧メンバーである伊倉愛美のソロパート。彼女は同曲のレコーディング直後に脱退していたため、同曲のMVではれにちゃんのソロのように見えているが、注意して聴くと他のれにちゃんのパートとは声が異なることがわかるはず。そして同曲の発売時点ではすでに有安杏果が加入しているのだから、グループとしてはかなり過渡期での、性急なリリースであったということが窺えるし、「自分が歌っていないしジャケットにもなっていない曲」でツアーをする羽目になった杏果の身になって考えると、実に泣けてくる。
ということで、誰の歌声なのかはこの本にも書かれていません。件の伊倉愛美のYouTubeでのコメントを見ると、柏幸奈という説もあるようですが… --Anosola(会話) 2020年6月27日 (土) 02:17 (UTC)
詳しくありがとうございます。 これを読むと伊倉さんと思いますが、本人は否定しているのでなぜそう書いたか謎ですね。 それに、和川さん藤白さんが収録していないとすると、なぜ伊倉さんだけ収録したのかも謎です。 伊倉さんには収録全メンバーも聞きましたがそれにはお返事がなく、あの曲を誰々が歌っているのかも謎です。 ライブで柏さんがあの声で歌っている動画もありますがあの頃は口パクかもしれないですよね。 --gratin(会話) 2020年6月27日 (土) 06:48 (UTC)
- もしかすると、サビは伊倉さんに加えて、和川さん藤白さんの声も入っているのかもしれませんね。そして「想いは想いは駆け巡り」が柏さんの声だとすれば、すべて辻褄が合いますね。--Anosola(会話) 2020年6月28日 (日) 14:14 (UTC)
ももクロの記事について
はじめまして。Noctoと申します。テンプレート部分の記事の改善ありがとうございました。こちらを拝見しましたのでご挨拶に伺いました。こちらに関しては経緯がとても長いので説明しにくいので、一部分は事実でありますが、ほとんどが事実と異なります。と言う事だけ書かせていただきます。さて、表題に書きました記事の編集についてですが、私も編集を行った後、気になった部分をノートに記載しましたのでご確認いただければと思います。--Nocto(会話) 2020年9月2日 (水) 13:23 (UTC)
- Noctoさん、はじめまして。ご丁寧にメッセージを頂戴し、ありがとうございます。そうでしたか…事実と異なることを書かれてしまったのはつらいですね…。(余談ですが、WACKを応援されているというのは本当ですか??私も、去年のJapan Jamでパフォーマンスを観たのをきっかけに、興味を持ちはじめたところです!)
- それでは、ももクロのノートページのほう、見させていただきますね(ここ数年は仕事が忙しくなってしまって、なかなかログインできずレスポンスが遅くなってしまうこともあると思いますが、ご容赦いただければ幸いです)--Anosola(会話) 2020年9月6日 (日) 04:37 (UTC)
- 返信 書いた言葉や記事の削除があった事など事実なんですが、過程を省かれ悪意的に書かれた次第です。私はWACKと言うよりアイドル全般好きなのでいわゆるDDみたいな感じですかね。寄稿の結果WACKよりになって見たのかとは思いますが。また何かありましたら記載させていただきますのでよろしくお願いします。--Nocto(会話) 2020年9月6日 (日) 08:03 (UTC)
ハラミちゃんの記事について
はじめまして。Tommyと申します。この度は、ハラミちゃんのページを編集いただきありがとうございます。しかしながら、まことに申し訳ありませんが、ハラミちゃんページの編集は、中立性を保つためノートで議論してから行っております。また、出典も明記されていあなかったこともあり、今回編集していただいた内容は、いったん差し戻させていただきました。 芸能人およびアーティストの観点から、テレビ出演に関する記載は慎重に行っております。次回、編集される場合は、あらかじめノートをご活用の上、編集していただければと思います。よろしくお願い致します。--Tommy Okome(会話) 2020年11月30日 (月) 15:42 (UTC)
- 承知いたしました。ご連絡くださり、ありがとうございました。--Anosola(会話) 2020年12月21日 (月) 12:27 (UTC)
意見募集のお知らせ
先ほどInfoboxの記載に関する提案をさせていただきました。ご意見をお聞かせいただければと思います。
なお、ももいろクローバーZにつきましては、えのきだたもつさんにより2020年1月14日までの全保護となりました。前版への差し戻しとは言え、編集行為を助長するかたちにさせてしまったことは私の反省すべき点です。--あじゃる丸(会話) 2020年12月31日 (木) 04:55 (UTC)
- あじゃる丸さん、メッセージを頂戴しありがとうございます。カムリという利用者は今回問題を引き起こしたIPユーザーと出没時間帯・編集傾向が同一のため、Wikipedia:管理者伝言板/投稿ブロックへ報告を行いました。また確証はありませんが、 IP:2400:4153:C3A0:8700:2C6A:D31C:413C:D7FA (会話 / 投稿記録 / 記録 / フィルター記録 / SPUR / GUC / ST / ブロック)や、そもそもの発端である IP:2400:4153:C3A0:8700:9C4F:33CA:4579:7C26 (会話 / 投稿記録 / 記録 / フィルター記録 / SPUR / GUC / ST / ブロック)も、あやしいかなと思います…。--Anosola(会話) 2020年12月31日 (木) 05:36 (UTC)
多重アカウントについて
多重アカウントとは 編集の回数が異常に多いアカウントの ことですか? カムリ(会話) 2021年1月14日 (木) 12:26 (UTC)
タブレットとスマホがあるんですけど カムリ(会話) 2021年1月14日 (木) 12:30 (UTC)
- メッセージをいただき、ありがとうございます。まず、事実を確認させてください。あなたはタブレットとスマホを持っており、片方からは利用者:カムリとしてログインし、もう片方からはログインせずに編集をしたということで合っておりますか?--Anosola(会話) 2021年1月14日 (木) 13:49 (UTC)
- 質問にお答えいただかずに編集を続けておられますが、カムリさんにとって不利益が生じることになりますので、まずはこちらにお返事をください。--Anosola(会話) 2021年1月14日 (木) 14:29 (UTC)
そうです。 基本タブレットは ゲームと映画用なので カムリ(会話) 2021年1月14日 (木) 14:38 (UTC)
スマホが手元になかったため タブレットで編集したり、 スマホでしたり、
これってヤバいですか? カムリ(会話) 2021年1月14日 (木) 14:40 (UTC)
もう編集には参加しないので ブロックしていただいて構いません。 ご自由にどうぞ。 カムリ(会話) 2021年1月15日 (金) 08:55 (UTC)